Hi guys, playing $1/$2 and villain is an african american guy in his 30s. Playing loose aggressive, like he's there to gamble. Raising draws, called a raise PF with 93o and won a big pot with 2 pair.

Seems like he's thinking a little though because he folded a set on the flop against a big shove. Turned out to be the right read. He has $450

Hero has $320. Playing tight and not really getting hands. Just recently rebought for another $100. OTTH

One limper. Hero has JdTd in LJ. Raise to $12. V1 in SB raises to $30. Only Hero calls.

Flop Tc 8d 8h ($60). Villain bets $30. Hero calls

Turn 8s ($120). Villain bets $50. Hero should? I have $260 at this point and he has me covered.

My initial reaction was to raise the turn, keep overcards from catching the river. But if he 3-bet PF from the SB, guess he could have a lot of JJ+ in his range.

What's your line? Call the $50 and then call up to $100 on the river? Call the turn and fold to a river bet?

Well played, now call. River is tough, could go either way. If we’ve witnessed villain get out of line before post flop, I probably call.


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Fold to 3-bet pre.

His sizing is small and you have position, but you're still putting in about 5% of your stack with a suited connector against a villain that either has you dominated or going to make it tough postflop.

How often does he 3-bet? If he's doing this often against us we can mix in a 4-bet here and see what's up. But I prefer fold.

"Money is concentrated life."

Why do we want to put more of it in when our hand is so easily dominated?

PF: JTs ok to call this spot about half the time.

Call turn. Raising is pretty bad.

This. Raising or betting heads up simply to protect your hand is rarely correct.

folding to the 3b pre is criminal. definitely calling flop/turn and re-evaluating river.

one thing i'll note is that a lot of players who play this way will actually have suspiciously low 3bet%s. so without a history i'd be inclined to put this player on a much stronger hand than populations would. but still not folding this postflop just yet. and if this player has shown themselves to 3bet decently often i'm just never folding this hand ever sorry lol.

The decision facing the 3bet pf really depends on what your plans are post flop against this villain. The OP gives us just a little to go on. It seems that the villain likes to see a lot of flops and will push if he gets a piece of it. It would be good to know what he does when he misses. It would also be good to know if he 3bets frequently. If you're seeing him 3bet only about once per hour, he's not loose with 3 bets.

So if your plan is to play fit or fold on the flop, you're better off folding pf. Hero won't hit often enough to justify a call. If the villain has a wide 3 bet range (3 betting once or more an orbit), then a 4 bet from a tight player should get a fold by the flop. A call is good if post flop he x/f when he doesn't get a piece of it.

My default position if I can't answer those questions is to fold.

Thanks guys, some terrific feedback here! I lean towards calling a wider range against PF 3-bets from weaker players. Even though this guy was LAG, he was making mistakes like calling that 93o PF. Maybe I'm going in behind, but this is the kind of scenario where he'd stack off with QQ+, even if it's clear he's beat.

Turn advice is spot on. No point in raising. ChrisV, thanks for the tip that it's rarely useful to bet/raise only to protect your hand HU.

Folding to the 2.5x 3bet 150 BB effective IP is absurd. You can call and play chicken again on river but the LAG read is useless because it doesn’t have anything to do with his 3bet tendencies. He can be a LAG as a PFR/post but a nit with his 3bet range.

Has he ever 3bet before? If not, I fold pre for this exact reason. If we call turn, do we fold on a blank river? I mean, we kind of have to, but it's so gross. This guy could have anything unless we know his 3betting range from the SB?

I guess flat turn / evaluate river is OK, but I want more info.

Never folding pre.

Call turn. Raise is the worst option.

Depends on the river and his sizing. JT is one of our best hands since we block TT and JJ. Its a vastly under bluffed spot though since he shouldn't be bluffing this turn too much, so don't mind folding on a blank to a decent sizing.

IMO he has a huge range advantage and should be bluffing this turn a lot

Can you elaborate? If the turn is a brick (ex: deuce) SB would have the exact same range advantage.

OTF we can still have hands like 89, 78 etc. Those hands are highly unlikely when the third 8 comes, making hands like JJ-AA more nutted

Fair enough. Are you going for 3-barrels? What hands are you using?

Just don't see this working often enough at 1/2 from my experience, but I guess it depends on the villain.

I think villain can go for 3 barrels with any hand and print. Hero is near the top of his range and still in a bad spot planning to likely fold river