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09-23-2017 , 04:06 AM
I have about 80bb, V1 and V2 have me covered.

Playing 2/5

I raise to 15 w 64ss, v1 calls out of sb and v2 calls out of bb.

V1 seems like a gambly type reg and V2 is a solid reg

flop 655 with 1 spade, v1 and v2 check and I bet 30. V1 calls out of sb and bb folds

turn Js (gives me backdoor fd) V1 checks and I check back. Thoughts on check back?

river 7s and V1 checks to me

I bet 90 and he thins for about 4 seconds and puts me all in for 250 more... wut daphuq do we do w our backdoor little flush?
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09-23-2017 , 04:35 AM
please include positions and pot sizes on each street.......there's a difference if you are raising from UTG vs the BTN
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09-23-2017 , 07:24 AM
With no reads, this is a fold pf.

As for the river, the only flush that is worse than your's is 32s. It isn't likely he called down with that. So it comes to whether the villain is bluffing or not on the river. Without reads, who knows?

That said, it is rare that a 2/5 player is bluffing on the river frequently enough to make it +EV to call.
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09-23-2017 , 10:04 AM
he checked 3 streets and then check raised the river? smells like flopped boat or quads. Its probably a fold. You really only beat a bluff or a poorly played hand, and this is not a gambly reg bluff line.
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09-23-2017 , 11:34 AM
I was in the hi jack and V1 is in sb and V2 is in bb. The players behind me were pretty straight forward and tight and the bb played fairly straight up post flop so I felt comfortable raising with a weaker hand.

I made it 15 and got two callers pre 45
otf checked to me and I bet 30 with 1 caller 105
ott check check
otr checks to me and I bet 90 and he shoves for about $340
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09-23-2017 , 11:40 AM
A hand earlier I played a pot where a player tried to trap me by checking the river and I checked it back so I wasnt sure if this guy would check a boat twice to me. He also seemed like the type who may call w 34 sooted or maybe called w a gutshot otf with 89. I also felt like he may shove 45, A5 or any number of other 5s. Im not sure that I would normally call in a situation like this but when I factored in that I had not tried to bluff when being checked to just a hand earlier, that my flush is pretty well disguised being back door and I didnt bet the turn and that this guy seems like he could be capable sometimes of just going for it here or having some hands in his value range that I still beat, I decided to make the call. I will post the result tonight. Thanks for the responses
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09-23-2017 , 01:13 PM
Definitely mostly going to fold, though some (not many at all) V's might reason that you're weak here and go for a c/r bluff... That would be rare to see, so I'd really want a strong read on V to make this call.
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09-23-2017 , 05:41 PM
So I decided that I was too high up in my range and that this guy could be jamming a naked 5, straights and rarely just a bluff and I called the shove. He had Q5cc and we took it down. Was very close to folding and against most others at the table I would have folded. Interesting spot tho
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