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05-17-2016 , 07:16 PM
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I had a very hard time ranging villain. Given the wet board, I thought he would have gone for a check raise on the flop with his sets and 2 pair hands. I also discounted KT somewhat because he had to call a significant raise out of position. AJx made sense, but not much else. Then again, putting him on exactly one hand felt wrong.

I tanked for a while and then decided I couldn't fold, so I went all in. The button mucked and villain of course called. He tabled KT for the turned nuts. The river failed to improve my hand and I lost.

I made a note to beware big donks from this player, who is a regular. I also kicked myself for not giving KT more credence.
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05-18-2016 , 12:16 PM
I don't like that we went 4handed to the flop, was this expected at this table with an $18 raise after 2 limpers? I'd often raise to $25 here at my table, but obviously table dependent.

SPR is ~7 and the board is drawy multiway. I think my plan here on this type of board would typically be bet/folding two streets, especially if we feel comfortable folding to a river donk (which at that point will be less than a PSB), of course depending on runout / action / etc. I'm cool with the flop bet.

I would nit fold to the turn donk. He's looking to play for stacks against 2 other players, including the preflop raiser who cbet this flop 4ways (and should be crushing this flop, which we are). The only value hand that he could possibly be doing this with that is worse than ours is AJ, and I think that hand should consider a fold facing our flop cbet with the Button calling. The only other hand it could be is a super draw that he picked up, but I think betting out hoping two people fold this board is pretty optimistic.

ETA: Yikes, forgot to add in QJ, but then QJ has to be worried about us having AQ/AJ. And chopping AQ. I'm still nit folding.

ETA#2 (after reading results): The two things that I think have to take precedence here are (a) there is a very good chance we have a very good hand and (b) he's betting into us AND another guy (and that other guy may have just made his hand). This is a very scary looking donk, imo.

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 05-18-2016 at 12:23 PM.
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05-18-2016 , 12:22 PM
cram the turn.
Villain has some 77 in his range.
But should rarely have KT here, unless it's KTcc
He does have a decent amount of AKss, AJcc, KJcc, JTcc, T9cc, AXcc, all of which he could be value betting or bluffing with the worst hand and not realize it.

When we are losing, it is mostly 77 here as he was 'waiting for you to catch up' or something like that. But if he has KT we need to reevaluate our reads. Or examine our own play as we might have some pretty obvious sizing / physical / verbal tells that villain has on us that would make his potentially profitable to be playing OOP against us with a pretty marginal hand.

But yeah, I'm def shoving the turn here.
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