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Tough turn decision. Raise 1 pair hands vs blocking bet? Tough turn decision. Raise 1 pair hands vs blocking bet?

08-18-2017 , 08:11 PM
1/2 live.

So this is a spot that comes up pretty often and I wonder how people approach it.

V1 is decent female reg. Probably a slightly losing player at the 2/5 and slightly profitable at the 1/2. Is willing to bluff and play aggressively.
V2 is loose rec player. Decent post flop but plays any two cards pre if you keep it cheap.

V1 and 2 are about 250 dollars deep and I cover.

Hero opens AK no clubs to 10 from MP. V2 calls from button and v1 calls from BB.

Flop Ac Qh, 4c.

Pot:29.

Hero bets 22, both call.

Pot:90

Turn: offsuit 9.

V2 leads from the BB for 30. I would be very surprised to see her play her strong value this way. She knows I'm on the more snug side so while it could be a bet to induce, I feel like she would just bet abnormal size on this wet board 3 ways.

Would you raise here and if not, would you raise if I had position on V1 and he had already folded.
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08-18-2017 , 09:56 PM
Yes, I usually raise a blocking bet OTT with pretty much all of my range, and I wouldn't be too sad if they both fold, as you weren't getting a river bet often unless you got outdrawn anyway. As it stands, she sounds semi-decent enough that having medium-strength hands in your raising range to balance your air and fat-value raises is worthwhile.
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08-18-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Yes, I usually raise a blocking bet OTT with pretty much all of my range, and I wouldn't be too sad if they both fold, as you weren't getting a river bet often unless you got outdrawn anyway. As it stands, she sounds semi-decent enough that having medium-strength hands in your raising range to balance your air and fat-value raises is worthwhile.
I think that makes a lot of sense. The nice thing is we aren't super deep so if we raise to like 100-140 or just jam she only has like 190 behind after betting turn so we probably aren't raise folding. I guess we could raise really small and raise fold...

Curious if you would raise fold if she had 300 behind after she bet the turn.
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08-19-2017 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I think that makes a lot of sense. The nice thing is we aren't super deep so if we raise to like 100-140 or just jam she only has like 190 behind after betting turn so we probably aren't raise folding. I guess we could raise really small and raise fold...

Curious if you would raise fold if she had 300 behind after she bet the turn.
I probably raise to around 100.

And a small point, but this isn't really a wet board. More important it's fairly static. Only clubs shake up the hand value much, and after a raise your v's continuing range shouldn't have a lot of clubs.

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08-19-2017 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I think that makes a lot of sense. The nice thing is we aren't super deep so if we raise to like 100-140 or just jam she only has like 190 behind after betting turn so we probably aren't raise folding. I guess we could raise really small and raise fold...
140 seems a bit on the large side. Obviously it's complicated by the third player in the hand and not wanting to offer him nice pot odds, but I'd usually raise to whatever I was going to bet anyway, plus the size of V's bet, plus a tidge to make up for the fact that the pot's now bigger. So in this case I prob would have bet 2/3 pot, or $60, plus V's 30, plus a tidge, or $100. I might go as big as $120, but probably only if we were deeper to reduce potential IOs.

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Curious if you would raise fold if she had 300 behind after she bet the turn.
If she had 300 behind after turn bet, that would mean she had 'bout tree fiddy on the flop, and the SPR would be about 11.5:1. I would not be looking to play for stacks with TPTK at that SPR, especially not multi-way. Also, I think the chance that her lead was an attempt to induce to make getting stacks in easier would go way up at that depth. Of course it could still be a blocking bet, but I'd be more in pot-control mode and would let her get away with it if it were. I wouldn't raise/fold often, but I definitely wouldn't raise/call. I'd probably just call.
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08-19-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
1/2 live.

So this is a spot that comes up pretty often and I wonder how people approach it.

V1 is decent female reg. Probably a slightly losing player at the 2/5 and slightly profitable at the 1/2. Is willing to bluff and play aggressively.
V2 is loose rec player. Decent post flop but plays any two cards pre if you keep it cheap.

V1 and 2 are about 250 dollars deep and I cover.

Hero opens AK no clubs to 10 from MP. V2 calls from button and v1 calls from BB.

Flop Ac Qh, 4c.

Pot:29.

Hero bets 22, both call.

Pot:90

Turn: offsuit 9.

V2 leads from the BB for 30. I would be very surprised to see her play her strong value this way. She knows I'm on the more snug side so while it could be a bet to induce, I feel like she would just bet abnormal size on this wet board 3 ways.

Would you raise here and if not, would you raise if I had position on V1 and he had already folded.

Based on the read you got I don't mind a raise/fold here. I'm a little less inclined to give her a credit for a slow played hand since there was no raise on the flop after we c-bet and button cold called in between. I think we can safely remove AQ/A4/44 from here range given no raise on a 2 flush/straight drawy board.

Furthermore, if she did somehow managed to not raise with those hands, her lead wouldn't make too much sense on the turn.

I'd raise to $70-80 and fold if she comes over the top.
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