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03-25-2013 , 11:24 AM
1/2 NL : super loose aggressive table...generally 4-7 players see flop for 15$

Hero: 480 playing tag...running bad has ran into 4 sets in session already: have very solid imaged to villian

Villian: solid tag...plays a little weak preflop..opening 10%..limps the rest..small raises with suited connectors..easily second tightest player on table (me being tightest by far)

EP limp, MP limp, villian makes it 12$, hero(AK) raises $40 (expecting MP limper to call, prolly the fish in Button)..expect villian to fold most hands.

Button call
Villian calls: (range 99+A10s+) plus AK maybe AQ...never seen him 4bet

Flop k-5-2 ($120)


Villian check
Hero bet $75

Button tank fold
Villain call

Turn: k-5-2-10 (2diamonds)

Villain bets $100 quickly

Hero: calls quickly

River :7h

Villain checks

Hero?
I think I made a few mistakes on the hand.
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03-25-2013 , 11:28 AM
480 is effective stack
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03-25-2013 , 11:32 AM
Looks like V missed some type of combo draw otherwise he would have bet river, so I probably bet $100 and hope to get value from a Kx hand or a stubborn JJ/QQ. Was the K on flop a diamond? Do you have the Kd in your hand? That detail makes a big difference in his possible hand ranges. If he has AA/KK/TT here he played it awfully bad.
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03-25-2013 , 11:47 AM
I have no diamonds. Was rainbow flop...sorry posted from phone makes it tough
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03-25-2013 , 12:03 PM
I like a 75-100 bet on the River and hope you get a crying call. He's most likely going to fold, but I think you are still ahead if he calls.

His most likely hands here are AK and wired pairs, as far as I can tell. There aren't any draws on the flop, so his next likely group of hands would be bluffs where he might have floated the flop and tried to push you off a C-Bet on the turn. Least likely to me is a set. Up until his check on the River, I maybe give him the credit, but that river check makes me drop these down on the list.

I guess the more interesting question is whether you can call if he shoves over your river bet. I haven't figured up the stack sizes, but I think you're still deep enough to fold.
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03-25-2013 , 12:16 PM
grunch: shove... no, check ... no, shove... no check... yeah, check it back, final answer

this is borderline. the stacks are setup that a shove is your logical bet. the pot is 470 and you have 275 left. in the end.. you have one pair. villains turn bet looks almost like a blocker bet, or maybe a scared semi-bluff.. and somewhat possibly a bet hoping to induce a raise. the problem is if the villain is tight and he missed his draw, your shove is just going to get a fold. if villain has better than your tptk then you're just going to lose more money. not sure what's calling you here that you beat. has villain shown that he'll "look people up"? and not sure what i'd do if we bet smaller and then got raised all-in (actually, we'd probably call due to pot odds and expect to lose). so i think i'm checking this back. we have show down value. i think any extra value to be made (and i'm not saying there is definitely extra value against villain's range) would have been on the flop (c-bet bigger) and the turn (i may raise over top) but i think your line was fine.
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03-25-2013 , 12:22 PM
Jam the river.

He's getting >3-1 on a call w Kxd nh
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03-25-2013 , 12:34 PM
I don't think V ever calls a $275 river bet in 1/2 without a hand better than TPTK. Kx is probably calling ~$100 max on river. People don't think about pot size and getting 3:1 on a call, and even then Kx can't beat anything hero would shove with.
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03-25-2013 , 01:46 PM
He is not calling pre with anything less then kq suited...he has folded a few times to my 3 bet..and knows I willing to stack off and make a big bluff...he is solid player and isn't about to make crying call pre with a weak king....only hand he might call with is qq that I beat..he would fold all other pairs on flop

Do I still value bet river?
Was there any reason to rep AA and shove turn? I think he prolly puke calls AK if I do.

After the hand was over we both agreed we didn't want to play a big pot with each other since rest of table was stacking off with every draw possible.
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03-25-2013 , 02:08 PM
Probably raising turn.

It's unlikely he's donking into you with a strong made hand, and it looks a lot more like a blocker bet. A c/r would look a lot stronger.

Go 150 otr. Dont think he calls a jam with a weaker K
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03-25-2013 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
Probably raising turn.

It's unlikely he's donking into you with a strong made hand, and it looks a lot more like a blocker bet. A c/r would look a lot stronger.

Go 150 otr. Dont think he calls a jam with a weaker K
This was my thoughts live. But I didn't pull the trigger on the turn! I really think I needed to shove turn for the little fold equity I had. However my last 3 reads had been wrong and I ended up shoving into the near nuts every time. On a table where middle pair + gutshot was stacking off every other hand.

No results coming.

Do I dare bet 1/2 pot on flop to get fish to tag along? He would have called flop bet with any pair @ 75 I think.
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03-25-2013 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mikko
This was my thoughts live. But I didn't pull the trigger on the turn! I really think I needed to shove turn for the little fold equity I had. However my last 3 reads had been wrong and I ended up shoving into the near nuts every time. On a table where middle pair + gutshot was stacking off every other hand.

No results coming.

Do I dare bet 1/2 pot on flop to get fish to tag along? He would have called flop bet with any pair @ 75 I think.
Shove ott would be for value, not bc you think you have any fe
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03-25-2013 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
Shove ott would be for value, not bc you think you have any fe
Generally against every other opponent I would agree. But doubt he will pay me off with any hand except QQ (six possibilities). However he may fold AK here. Prolly 15% of time. So I have a little fold equity here. Every other player on the table I would have shoved turn without regard.

Knowing my biggest weakness is playing too aggressive and getting trapped, I decided to check back the river. My thoughts where I have very little value in betting, but if he checked a set of 10's or kk to trap me that by checking back river. I would have made him make a huge mistake. On car ride home I realized how stupid that thinking was as he is not slow playing a monster in a huge pot. So chalk another awful play up to me.

Thanks all
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03-25-2013 , 04:30 PM
Pretty confused by your logic that he would only pay you off with QQ. Wouldn't he call off Kx also if he would with QQs? If you were definitely sure you wouldn't get called by worse I wouldn't consider raising bc you will almost never fold out better.
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03-25-2013 , 05:22 PM
fogo

everybody has leaks. His is he cant fold big pockets. Even when they are crushed. Just a quess on my part.
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