Hi guys, ended up in a tough spot tonight and I'd enjoy some feedback of my play on all four streets. Live 2/5 no limit SB villain in the hand is a very tough player, I've seen him play a lot of hands, I've seen him play a lot of hands very aggressively and I think he's a winning player but he definitely goes through massive swings due to his loose aggressive style. BB villain is more conservative. I'm trying to play more hands due to a short game and trying to influence my local meta game a little (getting a bit of a nut peddler rep). The games five handed when this happened and it's folded to me on the puck.

PRE: HJ folds CO folds hero (1900$)raises to 20$ OTB with 9c 5c SB villain (2100$) calls 20$ BB (800$) calls 20 three to the flop for 60$

FLOP 6c 8c 10s blinds check to me I bet 45$ sb villain check raises to 145$ Bb calls I call. Three handed to turn pot ~485

Turn 6c 8c 10s Ks SB bets 300 BB folds I call heads up to river pot ~1085$

River 6c 8c 10s Ks Ac villain shoves, he has me covered I have appx 1400 behind..... Hero????

Thanks in advance for all feedback, it's appreciated

Preflop is a pure bluff steal, but you got a very good flop for your hand and betting flop is obvious. When that bet gets raised and the raise gets called, fold. Your behind at least one villain, you may have very few outs and it isn't clear which ones are clean. Worst case of 97o and AcTc you don't have any. Same logic applies on turn even after V2 folds, against a winning aggro villain I don't like chasing weak draws.

Having gotten to river, against an aggro villain I think you have to call. Villain could be betting worse for value and could be bluffing. EV won't be real high here though, because he will have a ten high or king high flush a fair portion of the time.

i was thinking the same thing as QuadJ on the flop fold. After the BB flats the flop c/r to $145 i am thinking my flushdraw is possibly dominated and I just fold here.

otr call is totally villain dependent and villain has to assume we are on a flushdraw when we flat the 300 ott. I doubt he is turning worse hands into a bluff like straight/set and shoving the river for 1400 when the percieved worst card comes off for him.

really consider his line , c/r the flop to 145 when he has only $20 committed so far.

turn brings K, he bets $300. We flat.. he has to think we can be on a FD here with our flat. River completes flush. He bets $1400. 300 to 1400.

i think KQcc fits into this line perfectly.

This seems like a good example where a close (but wrong) decision on one street can cost you lots of money on future streets.

I think QuadJ nailed it, but I would argue that over-calling the flop, in a vacuum, probably feels like a small mistake. It's $100 to you with $395 already in the pot and you have a flush draw. Can't be that bad right?

Then it's $300 to you with $695 in the pot, and you decide to call with your naked FD for the implied odds. Again, not too bad in a vacuum -- villain could have hands other than a FD here.

When he ships the river it's a very tough spot. He's bluffy and aggressive and could absolutely be over-shipping with worse. In a vacuum, you could probably justify a call.

Not saying you didn't do this, but critically thinking about early-street action when you're deep-stacked is essential. In this particular case, that $100 call getting 4-to-1 might have cost you another $1,700.

(Then again, you may have called and won, in which case, nice hand.)

He called a pre-flop raise out of position, so if he has clubs it better be KQ or else hes a fish.

AK is your best hope aside from a straight bluff...QJ is possible, so is a set but A good player would know a set is no longer good.

Because you are in this situation I think I call, but I probably would have folded to the flop raise.

I mean, you called the flop raise and to turn in hopes of getting a club, and you got that club, so if you're going to fold now then the last two calls were just spew

Wow great analysis guys, I was feeling iffy about it when I made the flop call and you articulated the reasons why perfectly, it's case of how clean are my outs and how bad will it be if I'm dominated. I called on the river pretty quickly and about lost my dinner when he turned over Kc7c for a well played nut flush. The toughest spot for me was OTF but looking back and reading your explanations I think I should probably have found a fold. Still new to deepstack NL especially short handed so I really appreciate everyone's thoughts and feedback. :-) OTF I also considered a reraise but decided against it, would have probably gone better than what I did if were being results oriented but I don't like it against both OPPOs

Calling from the small blind w K7 ftw!

Grunch: ok with everything all the way to calling the check raise. Especially when BB calls you really are looking for just 3 outs. You'll have a hard time with a 7 high flush if he keeps pushing. If he's as aggressive as you say though you might consider checking flop.

Grunch.

The flop is where the important decision is imo.

We just flopped the gutter straight-flush draw which is just so awesome that I like raising it. The only hand I'm really afraid of is the NFD; if we raise it we can force it out. Our equity is fine vs. sets and made straights. Raising the flop also forces out the occasional one pair hand he's getting fancy with, and it gets him to fold 2pr hands sometimes as well. There are many benefits to raising.

The big problem with this line is you aren't getting folds from AT. If the top card was flushing, I'd say 3! the flop for sure, but since it isn't I'm also okay with folding. Calling is by far the worst option imo because we get stacked from better flushes. Calling is great when we have IO on our side, but as a rule I like to push non-nut draws more aggressively because of RIO.

I'm also advocating 3! on the flop because our huge (~50% no matter what) equity goes way down on the turn, and a 3! here looks super strong so we have to have some fold equity, and possibly a lot of it. Basically 3-betting looks automatically profitable here, much better than the 0 EV of folding, unless there's some crucial detail I'm overlooking.

So imo, on the flop, 3! >> fold >>>>>>> call.

I think you're forgetting about the 3rd player who just cold called a 3 bet with the original bettor still to act. Vs both of them you're a significant dog.

IMO we need more info on villain, specifically fold/call/3bet ranges button vs SB

Really depends on villains here. Particularly what V2 flats the raise with and can you get V1 off a better flush draw with a shove. I think against the right villains it could work a lot, but I suspect it wasn't going to here.

V2's flatting a bet and a raise should mean a big hand, and for a lot of villains I would figure them for big flush draws because hero's hand makes combo draws unlikely. As it turns out, you really have to wonder what he was calling here, over pair/top pair + straight draw that figured V1 might be bluffing but had to be in trouble when you called and V1 was still pushing turn?

As for V1, considering what he had, you really have to wonder if raising/shoving is going to get him off it. If you reraise he is probably putting some sets and possibly even some lower draws on this board, and only really fears a nut flush himself. If he is that aggressive, he probably gets it in with the hand he had but there should be lower draws in his range that he could fold and probably few outright bluffs. How weak his range is here and how often he will fold it varies widely.

Yeah at first I thought it might be a cool spot to 3bet since IMO V2's call is going to be a lot of marginal hands which we can force him to fold, i.e. draws, TP, and sometimes JJ/QQ, and V1 will have a mixture of draws/made hands which we may be able to push him off.

However, given how aggro V1 is and how deep we are I think it's best to fold flop, because:

- his x/r range otf will vary between sets, 2p, and straights, + club draws which crush us

- although we have decent equity against his made hands, if he shoves we could be gii with only 9-high

- if we 3bet to ~$500, he can shove and we can't call (pot would be ~$2550, we would have to call ~$1400 with about 36% equity against that range).

Villains range is basically anything besides offsuit trash here, his preflop range can vary based on the game texture and amount of players but short handed he is seeing probably 60% of flops. I doubt he calls raises as wide but a button open in this game can be any two (which is about what I had lol) so I don't think his preflop call is ghastly and I definitely got outplayed postflop that's evident from my lack of chips at the completion of the action :-p NL can sure be a humbling game

I've seen him stuff a lot of rivers and sometimes when he gets looked up he has zilch so I definitely wasn't folding there - but I like what everyone says about dominated draws and avoiding small mistakes in the early streets that lead to huge losses later that was very good posting and I appreciated it :-)

Check the flop. You get a little pot control, they won't think you have a flush if it hits, and you don't have to worry about getting raised which is a distinct possibility on a board like this.

After getting raised and called I'm just folding the flop as much as it sucks this deep. You are just up against nut draws way more often than anything else facing a raise and flat call this deep. When you hit a flush are you even comfortable putting in a big bet? Or are you going to try to pot control because you are afraid of being overflushed?

I 3b the flop here with a combo draw. I would only flat with the nut flush draw, because with two other players it's likely one of them has a higher flush draw. I would 3b/fold flop and shove turn. Your goal is to make naked nut flush draw fold.

Im meh to pre (playing the hand at all). Calling flop raise is ok from a pot odds point od view, but I think turn is a definite fold.

Wow, this is pretty deep for a 2/5 game, almost more like a 5/10 game. It was a good thought and a good line but when someone shoves for like another 250bb its hard to feel good about a 9 high flush. Especially that deep. I find it hard to believe that he is shipping almost 400bb stack with anything thats not the nuts or close to it.

in my mind, puke and fold the river OR decide on the flop if you feel ok shipping it when the third club comes...or on the turn. Happens to all of us from time to time I suppose.