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04-09-2021 , 11:09 PM
1/2. Utg+2 opens to 13, 3 callers I’m in the cut off with QQ I make it 45, +2 now jams for 280. Player new to table not many reads seen him get sticky on his first hand at table . Mistakes I made in this hand? Ended up calling
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04-09-2021 , 11:25 PM
You should always be 3-betting here, but your sizing is way too small. A full pot-sized raise would be to $81. In general the standard IP 3-bet sizing tends to be around pot. Personally I'd go $70 here. I don't like raising preflop to more than a quarter of my stack.

You're representing a lot of strength to squeeze 4 people when the opener was UTG+2, yet he doesn't seem to care. He's probably not doing this with JJ.

In general these games play very passive, and people won't be 4-betting worse than QQ+, AK very often, and many won't even 4-bet QQ or AK. It's fine to 3-bet/fold QQ in this spot.

You need 39% equity to call. Vs. population you don't have that, so fold.
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04-09-2021 , 11:30 PM
At the lower live NL games a PFR that 4-bets/jams generally have KK+. So yea, fold.
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04-10-2021 , 12:41 AM
Default 4bet at my games is KK+ then add AK for the frisky players. There are players that this is a call vs. but not unknowns.

Edit also yeah 3bet is too small, minimum $65 here but I'd make it more usually.

Last edited by WereBeer; 04-10-2021 at 12:46 AM.
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04-10-2021 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Salsca11
1/2. Utg+2 opens to 13, 3 callers I’m in the cut off with QQ I make it 45, +2 now jams for 280. Player new to table not many reads seen him get sticky on his first hand at table . Mistakes I made in this hand? Ended up calling

What’s your stack?

In general, this is far too cheap preflop. You’d want to 3 bet to around 3x the open raise, plus one for a field caller. In this case thats (3+1+1+1)*13 = 78. I think a raise to 80 would be much better. I can’t envision a situation where a raise to 45 is going to be optional (ex: if we had 150 in our stack, we’d be better off going all in).

Not folding to an unknown here.

Big takeaway is that your 3 bet size needs a lot of work.


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04-10-2021 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
What’s your stack?

In general, this is far too cheap preflop. You’d want to 3 bet to around 3x the open raise, plus one for a field caller. In this case thats (3+1+1+1)*13 = 78. I think a raise to 80 would be much better. I can’t envision a situation where a raise to 45 is going to be optional (ex: if we had 150 in our stack, we’d be better off going all in).

Not folding to an unknown here.

Big takeaway is that your 3 bet size needs a lot of work.


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By optional, I mean optimal. FYI


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04-10-2021 , 07:37 AM
V ended up having aces my stack was 285
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04-10-2021 , 07:43 AM
Got another hand to review ,165 starting stack kdjh on button limps to me open to 15, 2 callers from the blinds flop comes q,9,5 two diamonds. Sb checks bb bets 25 I call and sb call turn is a 10 of clubs sb checks bb bets I shove for 125. Bb calls hits a diamond for nut flush on river. Is bb line here weird ? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove ?
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04-10-2021 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Salsca11
Got another hand to review ,165 starting stack kdjh on button limps to me open to 15, 2 callers from the blinds flop comes q,9,5 two diamonds. Sb checks bb bets 25 I call and sb call turn is a 10 of clubs sb checks bb bets I shove for 125. Bb calls hits a diamond for nut flush on river. Is bb line here weird ? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove ?
Better if you post a new hand to a new thread.
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04-10-2021 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Salsca11
Got another hand to review ,165 starting stack kdjh on button limps to me open to 15, 2 callers from the blinds flop comes q,9,5 two diamonds. Sb checks bb bets 25 I call and sb call turn is a 10 of clubs sb checks bb bets I shove for 125. Bb calls hits a diamond for nut flush on river. Is bb line here weird ? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove ?
This is how to post a hand:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...mplate-770217/

If you make it easier for people to read and include all the relevant information, you will get more and better responses.
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04-10-2021 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Salsca11
Got another hand to review ,165 starting stack kdjh on button limps to me open to 15, 2 callers from the blinds flop comes q,9,5 two diamonds. Sb checks bb bets 25 I call and sb call turn is a 10 of clubs sb checks bb bets I shove for 125. Bb calls hits a diamond for nut flush on river. Is bb line here weird ? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove ?
Let me show you a better way to format: A more through description can be found here: Driving Guide to LLSNL (Rules and Tips on Posting)

Line check: KJ (or KdJh) on button (also the title)
1/2 NL (I assume, could be 1/3)

Effective stack $165 (does Villian easily cover? What about the SB?)

No reads (most of the time you should be able to say something about how the villain(s) play).

limper (one, or more?), Hero (you) raise to $15, both blinds call (which is the villain?)

Pot $45 + limper(s) - drop

Flop: Q95 (2 Diamonds)

SB (Villian 1/V1) checks, BB (Villian 2/V2) bets (donks) $25, I (Hero) calls, SB (V1) calls.

Pot $120

Turn: T (or Tc, or 10c - I prefer the T)

V1 checks, V2 bets $?, Hero shoves $125, V1 folds, V2 calls.

V2 calls and hits a diamond for nut flush on the river. Is BB's line here weird? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove?

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What's missing is V2's kicker, what you've seen of his play (as well as the small blind), how many limpers, the specific game (1/2, 1/3, 2/3, 2/5), the apparent fact that the SB (V1) folded.

Also, as a general rule, you don't post results, as it affects the replies you get.

The easier a post is to read, the easier it will be for people to reply.

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My response (and there will be disagreement):

Preflop OK, not a huge fan of raising KJo, but I've done it.

Flop: when the villain makes a 1/2 pot bet, without any history I'm going to put him on top pair and we have an overcard and a gutshot. That's 7 outs and the T is a tainted out, so 6 clean outs. That makes us a 3:1 dog to hit a good card on the turn. (simple table math: flop outs*4 = % to hit, then convert to odds. 6*4=24% hit, 76% miss - you miss 3 times, hit once ... 3:1).

Now, one piece of important information was left out. Was the Q on the flop one of the diamonds? If not (and I suspect it's not), the AQ is in villains range, not just some random Q that made one, or two pair (or something that made a set).

At any rate, this is getting kinda long and though there's more I could say, I'll stop here.

Hope this was helpful.

Jay
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04-10-2021 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Salsca11
Got another hand to review ,165 starting stack kdjh on button limps to me open to 15, 2 callers from the blinds flop comes q,9,5 two diamonds. Sb checks bb bets 25 I call and sb call turn is a 10 of clubs sb checks bb bets I shove for 125. Bb calls hits a diamond for nut flush on river. Is bb line here weird ? If I am deeper do you think he folds to my shove ?

How many limps? Peel on flop is marginal but okay. Turn is standard. Not really much to talk about here, live fish love to play strong draws and vulnerable made hands like this.


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