Young looking kid: Viewed as a solid player, have mixed up my play into some better players just taking the not so obvious line in hands , still playing pretty solid and abc when needed, have showed down some winners and def some showdown value when not having it.

Sitting here playing for abt 3 or 4 hours and middle position opens to 12 cutoff calls button calls and small blind calls, I look down at jj I 3b to - 45 initial bettor folds...folds

around to small blind who thinks abt it for a min or two and makes the call, flop comes : 368 small blind checks I bet 130 abt pot or almost the size of pot he tanks

for abt 4 or 5 mins thinking it over counting out his stack and than stacks up a buck 30 and makes the call, turn is an offsuit 2 small blind than shoves ... ? I feel like a fold here is the best

play any opinions ?? much appreciated, btw sb and I had abt 700ish deep I was abt around the same a little less than him but pretty deep for a 1/2nl at trop lol ........ I fold he showed an

offsuit 54 for the turned straight kind of tilting to see that really I thought either 1 he was like screw this punk kid even though I don't even look like a punk lol or 2 he had a set but 54 oop to a 4b... idk please def lmk what you guys think of this one !





Not sure if I explained the flop correctly this was a few weeks ago just wanted others points on this one everything is accurate but he flopped a double gutter not the open ender but still lol def understand his line considering we were pretty deep but I 4bet pre and than pot it on the flop and he still calls... idk

Please format according to standard policy here (this is really hard to read) and don't put the results in the hand until later.

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I just put it in bold don't know if its any easier to read I just typed it into the text box given. could be because I posted off my phone

considering hed probally think id be competent enough to know whats up but I feel hed think of me as a younger player to never lay down a hand if he out flops me or draws out on me idk if I came off as weak or what again we were knee deep 1/2 nl so I can understand his line of actions I guess?

Way too small pre. Way too big otf.

it was a few dollars shy of 4x raise I feel tht was fine idk but just feel like I did something wrong somewere in this hand, otf yeah it does seem a bit big I really didn't want a call and figured he would chase any draw so I bet the pot or almost pot idk if tht was a mistake or not , but a double gutter I guess in his eyes hes getting paid but idk ..

Preflop way way too small from OOP. Here you want to blow away the limpers and take what's in the middle or if real deep play for set value. But to go in between it doesn't work. Your pre is too big for setmining and too small to pickup the pot. The flop I see it as too big and it may commit you to the pot.

We don't know what's the effective? Don't care how much you have ($700) but the effective stacks are important to see the entire picture.

True I felt 45 was okay but 50 or 55 I probably would've taken it down, and intial bettor was abt 270, me and small blond abt 700 effective

Also when initial bettor makes it 12 and small blind call and I raise 45 if I should've went bigger it would've probally worked out better for me but also in tht case say I had kk or aa I feel like 45 would be an ideal raise into 2 players ? Just a scenario too big may scare them off ? But with the jacks I def want to take it down asap

I'd go bigger pre as well but I don't think $45 is THAT bad, I mean you don't mind if worse hands call. I typically 5x it minimum oop but I don't really have a problem with $45 here. It seems to be a trend on this board lately that we would just rather raise huuuuggee with our big hands and just make everyone fold pre.

Flop bet is too big imo, I don't think many worse hands would call that, maybe 99/1010, he can't really have too many 8's here unless he's the donkiest type of donk.

I don't really get why he would tank that long, call the flop, then lead shove the turn. I mean maybe, MAYBE he's bad enough to turn over the 45 here, but only the worst types of players would have a hand like that here and call the flop bet. Either way I think you're beat here and if you're $700 effective I would fold this spot. Kinda feels like a flopped set.

You should be making it $45 over the initial $12 raise if it's going to go HU. Then add $12 for every caller. So the 3b should be atleast $69 here.

Flop bet 60% PSB.

True I considered a set when he showed me 45 I was a little sick but lol i ended up folding here kinda sucks specially since I wasted 130 I do like doing the 60% psb maybe a little bigger I feel like I did go to big otf I just didn't want any strong drawing seeing another card I guess if he was in postion being deep like we were I guess it's ok idk for him to call pf anyway gross spot will def make some adjustments in simalar situations.... thanks for the responses guys

I feel like the "I have to bet large to protect against any possible draw" line is a bit overplayed by the player pool, I mean yeah he COULD have a fd here but it's more likely that he doesn't. He COULD have a straight draw although I wouldn't expect hands like 45, 57, or 97 to even call a 3 bet in the first place even if suited. Basically what I'm getting at here is that even though it's a "draw heavy board" he's unlikely to actually have any of these draws when he calls a 3 bet OOP.

In spots where it's unlikely for your opponent to have much or any of the board it's ok to bet small, it'll keep hands in that you're ahead of that would otherwise fold. I'm talking like 40% pot small here.

100% right thank you for responding and I don't always go abt "protecting my hand" sense of way I did bet large which is I think a **** up but I've seen him play a lot of double gappers suited gapers trying to see turns and rivers that was my reasoning behind my bet but 100% agree with what you say also when he does call I am in fact ahead until the the turn but even for me to make a large bet like that and 4 betting pre makes my range a little polarized I think so when he does shove on a super wet board I can understand but I do see we're I ****ed up bc if I do have to get away from it 60-70%psb accomplishing the same thing I'd hope