$1/$1/$2

Villain 1 (UTG+2): Horrible gambling degen. Someone bet $70 and he shipped his stack on a pure bluff for $80 only $10 more.. obviously doesn't understand the concept of fold equity. Saw him raise UTG with 96o.
Hero (HJ): Hasn't been at the table long
Villain 2 (BU): No reads

Villain 1 has ~$90
Hero has ~$330
Villain 2 covers

Hero: 88

Villain 1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $30, Villain 2 calls, Villain 1 calls

Pot: (~$85)
Flop: 235

Villain 1 checks, Hero bets $45, Villain 2 calls, Villain 1 raises all-in $60, Hero calls, Villain 2 calls

Pot: ($265)
Turn: 2359

Hero checks, Villain 2 bets $45, Hero folds


Did I butcher this hand? Basically my reasoning was that villain 2 played this completely as if he had the Ac and was making a small turn bet so as not to scare me away. I figured he would have no reason to bluff, seeing as no matter what if I folded, he would still have to beat Villain 1's hand to win the pot. That said, I did turn a flush as I'm holding the 8c and my pot odds are around 6.5:1. Should I be calling the turn? I just don't see any way that I could possibly be good here.

Also, should I be raising flop after Villain 1 jams small over my bet? It seems like a good opportunity to charge draws.

If v2 is in the SB, I assume he check/calls then on turn?

You are only beating 3 clubs currently. You are beat. Pre isn't bad I can see trying to isolate v1. Honestly I'm shutting down on flop with the action that occurred.

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no sorry he was BU

I think the line is fine. The flop bet will often take down the pot right there. It's also possible that 8s are the best hand.

When V2 bets the turn, he almost always has a big club. He knows that he's going to have to show his hand down anyways because of the all-in. There's really not much point in bluffing in this spot. Easy fold. Bet-fold would be better than calling here, but I think check-fold is the right play.

I don't like 3 betting the flop because you have no idea what V2 has. You might be value owning yourself. Depending on the sizing, he's only going to call you with bigger pairs or a flopped flush.

Edit- actually you can't 3 bet anyways, right? Because the all-in wasn't a full sized raise.

Why are you 3betting with 88 pf? 88 is often the best hand pf, but it is rarely the best hand MW post flop without help.

He should better be playing 88 if in position and no one has bet yet?

If you're 3betting pre, you should 3bet to $40 to $50 here and get it in on almost any flop

dry side pot. v2 would have to be a blithering idiot to bluff you here.

easy fold

3bet to half the original raiser's stack? Sorry, but I think that's not accomplishing what I want to accomplish. I'm trying to get him to call with hands like T7o that I have seen him raise. I don't think he's calling with his trash to a $50 3bet, but I can definitely see him calling a $30 standard 3bet, even though it would clearly be the incorrect play on his part. Raising that much just gets me value owned.