effective stacks around 600$

1/3 NL

hero-playing Tag. been hitting a lot of boards taking many pots down in the past hour so might seem laggy but showing down some nutted hands.

villain- seems like a decent player from the couple hours I've played with him. above average. Kinda tag post flop, but also limps a fair amount.

one hand of note with this player i got a good value bet from him after he raised pre, i flatted with 1010 board ran out 97226. went v bet, call. x/c. x/c a big bet on river he mucked and said good value bet.


OTTH:

mp limp, hero CO raises to 15 with AKos-no spade, villain calls in BB, mp calls.

Flop(46) Ax7s8s. mp checks, hero bets 30, villain calls, mp folds.

Turn(106) Ax. villain checks, hero bets 65, villain raises to 165. hero tank calls.

River(436) Js. villain bets 200. Hero?

I call. I think flopped two pair/sets x/r flop a decent % of the time so you can discount those from his range. I think a boat bets more than 45% pot on the river. And in order for him to have a flush or straight he would have to x/c flop then x/r the turn with a flush or straight draw. Your hand also is not a pure bluffcatcher because he can be overplaying a hand like AQ, AT or worse. Anytime your hand is not a pure bluffcatcher and you're getting 3-1 or better, don't fold.

And btw, anyone who limps a fair amount is not decent.

I think I find a fold here but I can't say paying it off is terrible. Villain can be over playing worse aces. But with no ace of spades in your hand or on the board plus possible boats and T9 getting there it's also easy to be beat. Villain can easily be raising turn with a good nut flush draw figuring he may be best already and if he isn't he has outs.

This was almost exactly my thoughts in real time. He just didn't seem like the type to overplay a weaker ace here. I think he check calls turn and river with any other ace. I really felt his range was polarized with flush/boat or nothing. This being the case I'm curious if the math is there to call often enough.

I'm cool with preflop and flop (I think HU that checking back flop would also be fine but 3way on a drawy board I'm more cool with betting).

Turn could also be a bet vs a check. Checking allows him to turn his busted draws into bluffs on the river (his draws will bust far more often than they'll hit and if we check back this turn he's going to be bluffing his busted draws 100% imo). Checking also keeps us out of cooler trouble. But betting does simply protect against draws and get value from them.

Getting check/raised on the turn here sucks. Our sizing is slightly on the small side (but fine) but the question is does he see it as weakish and is making a move? It's still a third bet in a row and at this time Villain can easily put us on a big A, so why is he raising? He's not a dolt overvalueing an A himself, right? I find lately I've been recommending a lot of "hero" type folds in threads, but this is a pretty gross spot. A big draw is never expecting an Ace to fold here so I'm not convinced he has one. If I do manage a fold, in an effort to get him to display his hand I might sigh something like "you caught me bluffing" (where he might say "damn, I really wish you had the A" and he might reveal his cards to confirm our read).

As played, on the river pretty much everything got there (the flush draw, T9 OESD, overvalued AJ). Much easier fold here.

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Meh.

Winning players come in lots of different styles. You can argue whether he can be a crusher or not, fair enough. But underestimate your limpy opponent at your own peril, imo.

GimoG

River card is worst card in the entire deck for us as both the str8 and the flush get there. Not saying he has those a lot per se, but just adds to the value hands he would be that we don't beat.

I am having a hard constructing a value hand that V has that we beat. Most V's might even check AQ/AT on that river after we call.

If I am playing well, I find a fold but I can't fault you for calling getting 3.18-1 on a call. Just don't think we are good 23.9% of the time or more here (I would guess it is more like 10%).

I think I call. I expect hero to have a set or the naked ace of spades enough to justify it

Holy crap at that post count.

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