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Tough spot 200bb deep in legendary 3/5 game Tough spot 200bb deep in legendary 3/5 game

03-09-2015 , 08:06 PM
Game: 3/5 $500 max buyin but stacks are much bigger for the most part. The table is full of either gigantic maniacs or gigantic calling stations. Only one other solid player at the table, who is not involved in this hand.

Hero: 25 male, playing TAG. Has not been playing too many hands, but has always shown down solid hands. Stack has bounced around from $700 to $1500. Current stack $1000

V1: 30 male, maniac. Came to the table with $2500. Lost half of that by running two three-barrel overbet bluffs against a gigantic station (which makes me think he is unaware of player image). Raising probably 40% of hands pre. Stack $1250

V2: 30 male, even bigger maniac, and extremely drunk. Lost his $500 stack 5 times in a row by raising to $70 blind multiple times and getting called. Will overbet pot any time he senses weakness, regardless of his holdings. Recently rebought for $500, then played a hand where he cold called a 4bet pre with k8o, called an allin on a T32r flop and turned a K vs another V's QQ. Has ran like god since. Stack $3000

V3: 60 male, huge calling station. Recently sat down at table. He raised pre with 89s, then called a 3bet from an unknown V who just sat down (along with 3 other cold callers). The 3better shipped a KJ8r flop into 4 people, and V3 called. V3 won vs the 3better's A2dd. Stack $900

The hand:

Pre: V1 raises to $20 UTG, V2 calls UTG+1. Hero sees JJ in HJ and calls (my reasoning is I don't want to play a big pot with a vulnerable hand just yet 200bb deep vs 2 maniacs who will always call my 3bet). V3 calls. Irrelevant V4 calls.

Flop ($100): 975

V1 bets $40. V2 calls. H raises to $165. V3 flats. V4 folds. V1 flats. V2 folds.

Turn ($595): 9753

V1 announces "$500", essentially putting me and V3 allin. Hero?

Last edited by MSentry88; 03-09-2015 at 08:26 PM.
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03-09-2015 , 08:11 PM
3bet preflop. Flop is good, call the turn. What are you even scared of, these guys could have anything at all.
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03-09-2015 , 08:36 PM
No way I'm folding a pair in this game. Ship it.
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03-09-2015 , 08:41 PM
Yeah, you're beating their ranges in a game that's bound to have wild swings. 3! preflop, call and pray now.
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03-09-2015 , 08:48 PM
3! Pre gii on flop and count your winnings
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03-09-2015 , 08:49 PM
Why do you feel your hand is:

1. Vulnerable pre-flop
2. Invulnerable on the flop when it didn't improve and there lots of hands that used to be behind and are now ahead
3. Vulnerable on a totally blank turn

I think it's best to either 3bet pre-flop or set-mine.
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03-09-2015 , 08:52 PM
Grunch.

Er... You won't be able to "not play a big pot" if the other players at the table decide that they want to play a big pot, so you might as well 3bet pre and hope for the flop that you got and GII. As played, GII. In the game you described, make TPGK or better and shovel money into the pot... ride variance train... profit.
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03-09-2015 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by au4all
I think it's best to either 3bet pre-flop or set-mine.
3betting preflop is mandatory. Set mining post if we don't 3bet is not...

Not 3betting is a big mistake. As played, ride the variance.
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03-09-2015 , 11:19 PM
3 bet pre for value. No sense in trying to pot control vs maniacs. You end up under repping alot of hands and put into tough spots.

Raise big to $80. (They are calling any bet that isn't outragous) Which will create SPR of 4 ish. Can easily stack off the 50% time we flop over pair. Can cbet/fold some over card flops also.
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03-10-2015 , 12:03 AM
LOL, why dont you want to play a big pot with drunk maniac, villain that will "always call your 3bet" with JJ. 3bet pre for value, JJ plays better if you can iso one of the maniacs.

AP, just ship it in and hope they have 9x or draws
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03-10-2015 , 12:16 AM
close eyes call the 500 then keep eyes closed til you hear pot bein shipped your way
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03-10-2015 , 12:54 AM
Grunch

The reasons you give for not 3 betting are in fact the exact reasons you should be 3 betting. They will call large amounts of their stacks with inferior holdings and we can stack off on good boards. This is a high variance game, we need to be willingly accept that. We should be making a massive 3 bet or just playing this hand slow.

As played I flat the flop and evaluate turn. By raising we sort of went from under representing our hand to over representing it.
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03-10-2015 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Grunch

The reasons you give for not 3 betting are in fact the exact reasons you should be 3 betting. They will call large amounts of their stacks with inferior holdings and we can stack off on good boards. This is a high variance game, we need to be willingly accept that. We should be making a massive 3 bet or just playing this hand slow.

As played I flat the flop and evaluate turn. By raising we sort of went from under representing our hand to over representing it.
Agree w this. IMO, if we were looking to play for stacks w JJ I would prefer to 3-bet pre and stack off when we flop an OP. By allowing 4 others see the flop for cheap this hand would scare the crap out of me. They can literally have anything here and we are totally in a guessing game. Hate this spot.
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