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Old 03-29-2014, 03:19 PM   #1
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Tough situation at the Tabel

Hey guys 2 day ago i encountered Tough situation at one of the live 1/3.NYC cash game . 9 handed with 4 players that were creating, a difficult table dynamic. Constantly calling what seem to be every thing there raising range was in the top 20% of hands, but there calling range was in the 60 to 65% of hands.

Every Suited connector. Suited one gapper. 2 gapper. 3gapper. all pears. What boggled my mind was the amount that they were willing to call with these week hand

A standard Raise at this table was 20$ preflop ,every hand would go 4 and 5 handed to the flop even if there was a Raise to 100$or 200$ in front of them they would still call even an all in shove would get 3 callers.

This created a lot of out of control pots.To add to the Frustration a lot of the would get lucky hinting there Straight flushes and 2 pair. It was a table full of Bad players no bet sizing concepts no consideration of any kind except for the card they had in there
hands.

Many of These players would billed up huge stacks and lose them and re-buy deep again I made the mistake only buying in for 300$ these bad player im taking about were very Deep 1500$ 1200$ Deep. I usually play tight and am mindful of my bet size and my position, but in this game I cold not do much.

I wanted to know if any of you guy have encounter this type of situation and how you dealt with it
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:04 PM   #2
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Find a softer game and don't play it if you are not rolled for it
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:16 PM   #3
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Sounds like an amazing game
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:33 PM   #4
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Re: Tough situation at the Tabel

Ed Millers book "playing the player" has a chapter specifically about these kinds of games. Maybe read that chapter? Or find another game. FWIW, I'm way out of my comfort zone in these types of games too.
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Old 03-29-2014, 10:36 PM   #5
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Haha I sometimes play at a live 5/10 cent game at my college which always plays like this. The situations are different due to the stakes but here's my take.

The players at my game do not know how to play poker, play ~every hand, take lines that make no sense, etc. It's a lot of fun and though I'm the tightest I'll still play K6o from the button and call people down three streets with a pair if kings (and be good). The way I beat this college game is just to play my hand strength relative to the board. No point trying to range opponents (except two specific guys).

I can't believe you've found a game like that for real stakes. Sounds like a dream. Just play ABC poker until you win the variance game and build a bankroll for it. If you lose the variance game, save up and take shots. It sounds super profitable. Also if there's someone, say, shoving preflop every four hands you should call with AQ. Lower if you can deal with higher profitability and variance.

Whatever you do, be friendly. You don't want to be tagged as a shark or the only "serious" player at the table. People will notice that you are playing differently but just brush it away saying you have your own style. If you are naturally quiet that's okay, but keep an open demeanor. Nomsain?

Now go crush that game.

P.S. I don't know where you are from but your post has lots of grammar errors etc. The fact that they play "all pears" made me laugh. I've thought bringing a pear to the poker table and saying "I have a pair" while in a hand and pulling it out xD.
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:20 AM   #6
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Re: Tough situation at the Tabel

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Hey guys 2 day ago i encountered Tough situation at one of the live 1/3.NYC cash game . 9 handed with 4 players that were creating, a difficult table dynamic. Constantly calling what seem to be every thing there raising range was in the top 20% of hands, but there calling range was in the 60 to 65% of hands.

Every Suited connector. Suited one gapper. 2 gapper. 3gapper. all pears. What boggled my mind was the amount that they were willing to call with these week hand

A standard Raise at this table was 20$ preflop ,every hand would go 4 and 5 handed to the flop even if there was a Raise to 100$or 200$ in front of them they would still call even an all in shove would get 3 callers.

This created a lot of out of control pots.To add to the Frustration a lot of the would get lucky hinting there Straight flushes and 2 pair. It was a table full of Bad players no bet sizing concepts no consideration of any kind except for the card they had in there
hands.

Many of These players would billed up huge stacks and lose them and re-buy deep again I made the mistake only buying in for 300$ these bad player im taking about were very Deep 1500$ 1200$ Deep. I usually play tight and am mindful of my bet size and my position, but in this game I cold not do much.

I wanted to know if any of you guy have encounter this type of situation and how you dealt with it
sounds like a gold mine

i deal with these situations by putting chips in the middle when my hand is ahead of their range
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:57 AM   #7
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sorry for the grammar errors Guys i wrote this post in a Rush
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:14 AM   #8
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I wanted to know if any of you guy have encounter this type of situation and how you dealt with it
1. Be rolled for the game.
2. Make peace with variance.
3. Get sick forearm workouts pushing all the chips into the middle ahead of their wide ranges.
4. Be nice to these people.

OP, it sounds like you haven't quite nailed point 2 yet. (And I don't really know about the others.)
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:57 AM   #9
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no i was nice the whole time.
Im just wondering if there is a better strategy, that can help me exploit these types of players
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:14 AM   #10
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Yeah. Bring more money. You're sound like your under-rolled for the game, no matter what the stated limit is. It looks like your trying to play a 1/2 game while they're playing 2/5. Looks like a good game, but if you find yourself puckering up because you're going to be facing commitment issues by the turn, maybe your not deep enough.
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Old 03-30-2014, 11:17 AM   #11
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just get a good hand and bet a lot of money

it really is that simple
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Old 03-30-2014, 03:47 PM   #12
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Re: Tough situation at the Tabel

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I wanted to know if any of you guy have encounter this type of situation and how you dealt with it
I would deal with this by clearing my schedule and planting myself in this game until I got too tired to play anymore.

It is frustrating when you are losing $600 or $900 when these guys all suck out on you, but just remember that when it is your turn to run good you will take them for way more money. And if you use better hand selection preflop, "your turn to run good" will happen more frequently than anyone else's.

Finally, there are things you can pay attention to even in games like this. For example:

1) When do the "deciding bets" go into the pot in this game? Preflop? Flop? Turn? If people are willing to put in big bets preflop, there's nothing wrong with buying in short enough that you can easily go all-in preflop. $300 sounds fine, if you know how to leverage a short stack. If you don't, you should learn.

2) Are other players calling extremely loosely but only raising with the goods? Or are they raising just as loosely as they're calling? If it's the first one, and you are deep with these guys, they'll give you chances to make big laydowns on later streets.

3) Start paying attention to exactly how much money goes into the pot preflop or on any street when you've decided you might commit yourself. I'm reminded of this: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=164

(The rest of that thread might help you too, but SABR's post is totally on point for a game like the one you're describing.)

Utilizing good preflop hand selection isn't enough on its own to really beat a game like this. You also need to make sure that the right amount of money is going into the pot preflop. The "right amount" is one of two things: an amount that is big enough that anyone who tries to outflop you is making a mistake, or an amount that is small enough that you can comfortably fold your hand later in the hand when you think you're no good.

If you have a $300 stack and a $15 raise is getting 4 callers, that's no good. You're giving each player 20:1 stack odds to beat you, but the pot will be too big for you to get away when you are beat. Try increasing--or decreasing!--your preflop raise size. If they'll call $40, make it $40. If they'll call $100, make it $100. If they'll call all $300 at once, let them do it. (This is especially good when your hand is something like AK or AQ, and they'll call with 2 unpaired cards.)

Your goal is not to fold them out, like you seem to think it is. Your goal is to get them all to make huge mistakes. And like I said, it may take a few hands or even a few sessions for you to profit from those mistakes. But you will eventually, as long as you have a big enough bankroll to keep playing.
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Old 03-30-2014, 06:31 PM   #13
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thanks a lot Guys
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