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05-11-2010 , 10:41 PM
Game is a £1/£1 9 handed game, its been very passive, lots of limping, generally casual, bad players.

Villian 1 - makes small raises preflop, likes to raise a wide range preflop, and likes to call to see a flop. Also, doesnt like to fold his made hands, top pair etc.

Villian 2 - seems really nitty, and is more interested in watching sport on tv than poker. Keeps on mentioning that he is folding big hands to big preflop raises. One hand, he limps behind 2 limpers in MP, i raise CO to 9x bb, he mentioned after the hand that he folded AK preflop, when an A flopped.


Stack sizes
Villian 1 - £140
Villian 2 - ~£400
Hero covers

Hero has A3
Preflop: 2 fold, Villian 1 raises to £3, Villian 2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls in CO, 4 folds

Flop (£11) : 2 4 5
2 checks, Villian 1 bets £6, Villian 2 calls, Hero raises to £21, Villian 1 folds, Villian 2 calls.

Turn (£59) : 4
Villian 2 checks, Hero bets £42, Villian 2 calls without thinking.

River (£143): K
Villian 2 checks, Hero bets £97, Villian 2 shoves, Hero calls/folds? ( ~£237 more to call)

Could be standard i guess.
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05-11-2010 , 11:03 PM
That does suck. I can't imaging folding, but ... damn. I mean, you're hoping he has, what ... QJ? KK makes sense in the hand, but that gets there. QQ is possible, I guess.

You need (estimating) about 30% equity to call. It just smells like KK or 44, but I don't know if I can lay it down. My only justification for a call is that distracted live players--even nits--sometimes decide to do weird ****. And that is a pretty weak justification, if it's the only one there is.
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05-11-2010 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Makonnen
That does suck. I can't imaging folding, but ... damn. I mean, you're hoping he has, what ... QJ? KK makes sense in the hand, but that gets there. QQ is possible, I guess.

You need (estimating) about 30% equity to call. It just smells like KK or 44, but I don't know if I can lay it down. My only justification for a call is that distracted live players--even nits--sometimes decide to do weird ****. And that is a pretty weak justification, if it's the only one there is.
fyi QQ is not possible.
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05-11-2010 , 11:29 PM
Pretty easy fold if he is as nitty as you claim. Even so river check-shoves at 1/2 and 2/5 are except in the rarest of cases one thing and one thing only.

Honestly if you're that broken up over having to fold the nut flush on that board I'd suggest you play some omaha and get used to having to check-fold what was once the stone cold nuts on later streets.

I think it's a legitimately tough (and more interesting to examine) spot if you have 22 here, Zeebo's theorem be damned.
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05-12-2010 , 02:54 AM
here it is reading the player. and by your description its a fold.
against him in the pot on the flop maybe you needed to bet alot more to play the hand right.
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05-12-2010 , 08:46 AM
Given the description of this guy, you have to fold. It sucks, but if he is as nitty as you claim he can only be holding 55, 22, 44.
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05-12-2010 , 10:02 AM
Ugh, if he is holding a set, would he really flat your flop raise? If this guy is an unskilled nit, the answer is "yes", especially based upon his turn action.

You are beaten more often than not in this spot, sadly.
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05-12-2010 , 10:42 AM
Agreed smells like a set. Tough fold.

The line he took and the image your saying he has doesn't make sense for him to flat your raise with q high. Def a cooler.
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05-12-2010 , 02:42 PM
Changed the hand a bit, he only had ~£180, so my river bet effectively put him all in, but i thought it was a more interesting spot if he was deeper and shoved the river.

Anyway, he tanked for 30 seconds, called, then slowrolled me, as flipped my nut flush, he waited for 10 seconds then flipped 55.

lol live poker.
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