I open QcQs MP 20.
BB (reg, seems solid but 1st time playing vs him) defends. Flop T46ss.
Villain check, I cbet half pot. V call.
Turn 6r. Villain donks 1.5x pot now. I call.
River 4r. Villain donks 1.5x again.

Not sure what to do here. This is the first time I've seen this play for this sizing. I've just moved up to 5/10 and not sure yet how the player pool plays. Feels like QQ is too high in my range to fold with every draw bricking? I ended up folding in-game. Felt it was super close and decided fold holding Qs was the tiebreaker.

I should usually be checking back 6x so V could easily be attacking a perceived weak/capped range by me. Also he could just have 6x lol. Very interesting and cool line by him. But I'm not sure what to think..

Do you think this line is more likely to be a bluff or value?

Please get into habit of putting effective stack sizes, and size of pot on each street. I will save my feedback until then as reading your HH is headache inducing.

Didn't take the time to type out sizing because I don't really care for feedback on this specific hand. Just asking a general, do you think this line is more weighted towards bluffs or value, when villain goes c/c flop. Then donk 1.5x turn and river on turn middle card board pair.

Does the answer question to this question even matter? We’re not folding...


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why are you min raising pre?

Lol wat?

Who’s range is the 6 better for?

I'm never posting a hand in here again

Kthxbye

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Ta-ta

I think he's just going to have 6x the vast majority of the time here. Not necessarily easy to figure out in-game though.

One reason I think its more a lot more value than bluff is that we have the Q which cuts out a good amount of his flush draws that could have check called flop. The Q doesn't cut out all of his flush draws, but, flush draws that check/called flop feel more natural as checks on the turn than a donk lead ... they can either see river for free or consider a check/raise turn bluff. This seems more intuitive and profitable than trying to construct turn lead ranges here. I'm not saying he won't ever lead turn with a flush draw I just think it can be discounted a good amount.

Then... what other bluffs does he have on the turn? Gutshot straight draws on the flop I think would often check/raise rather than check/call flop to donk lead turn. Villain cant count on such a card falling on the turn, and most other cards won't make sense for him to begin leading out on as a bluff.

If he did have 6x, its easy to see why he might lead turn. This isn't a good card for us so we will often check back. 6x will want two more streets of value and he could just decide he needs to take the lead now to get max value.

Also, if you fold on the 4 river, you should try to make your decision on the turn: either fold turn or call turn + river.