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10-02-2015 , 12:59 AM
Hero is 20 white guy with TAG image, although currently running well and may be perceived as looser then he is (350)

V1 and V2 are 50ish white guys who seem the standard passive 1/2 type. haven't seen any of their SDs yet. both have around 250

Preflop

V1 limps utg, 2 more limps and hero calls in the CO with 32cc. BTN and SB call and V2 checks option.

Flop ~ 12 TT5cc. Check to hero who decides to check as not many c bets have been getting through. BTN who is a more active player bets 6, V1 and V2 call and hero calls.

Turn ~ 34 Ad. checks to hero who bets 20. (Figured that BTN may of been just taking a shot at the pot and if people have just 5x or some small PP they may just fold.) BTN folds, V2 calls 20 and V1 raises to 40. Gross spot but given that we are have to put in 20 to win 113, more like 133 because V2 is calling a lot, don't think we can fold now that we picked up a gutshot too. Hero calls and V2 calls.

River ~ 153 Kc. V2 checks and V1 shoves for 179. Hero?

Note: not great at live reads but V2 looked grossed out by this so don't think he ever has a boat here. however, think it is a big problem that even if we have V1 beat V2 could have a bigger flush. Us calling may actually force some people to fold a flush but playing with him for 2 hours he just seemed the stick type to not lay down a flush there.

final note: as i tanked v1 was sitting back in his chair with his arms crossed. again not great at live reads but i read this as a defensive, not totally comfortable position.
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10-02-2015 , 01:16 AM
Fold at every possible chance
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10-02-2015 , 01:20 AM
How are you currently running well and have 350 at a casino?
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10-02-2015 , 01:24 AM
This is why you shouldn't even be limping with 32s. You have the worst possible flush, if it comes, and as such you can never be totally confident in your hand. Since you did get to the river though, I'd fold now.
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10-02-2015 , 01:31 AM
This is a super easy fold, what did a passive 1/2 OMC min-raise on that turn? What is he overbet jamming the river with? Absolute best case, he has a flush and we're still beat. But in the real world, this is a boat.

Also, I fold pre. I would limp 65ss here, assuming BTN and blinds are most likely to overlimp or fold.

I'm not really loving the turn bet since we don't have a lot of fold equity against 5 other players and we need every single one of them to fold (unlikely) or we need to hit our outs OTR (unlikely) in order to make money. Folding to the raise is probably better, I tend to station in game though.

Last edited by WereBeer; 10-02-2015 at 01:39 AM.
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10-02-2015 , 01:35 AM
I think pre is fine IP getting such good price.
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10-02-2015 , 01:45 AM
I don't hate it and I'm always the tightest player in a live game but I prefer SCs that can make more straights. I don't think you can go wrong dumping 54ss and worse from CO.
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10-02-2015 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I don't hate it and I'm always the tightest player in a live game but I prefer SCs that can make more straights. I don't think you can go wrong dumping 54ss and worse from CO.
Its close but i like playing it, one because i like playing hands, and two because it think being involved in more pots help my image. almost impossible to know if its + or - EV tho. there are tables where i fold it.
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10-02-2015 , 01:59 AM
How exactly do you plan on getting paid off by a worse hand in a limped pot?
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10-02-2015 , 01:59 AM
Calling this hand preflop is most certainly a leak and you are instantly in negative equity territory.

Flop is just as easy of a fold to me. On this board what can you expect a bettor and two other callers to have? The probability is way too high that a bigger flush is out there and you are killing yourself with reverse implied odds here.
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10-02-2015 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
How exactly do you plan on getting paid off by a worse hand in a limped pot?
what do you mean? this is 1/2 not 5/10. people will call down with TPWK and other garbage all the time
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10-02-2015 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pgcounty
How are you currently running well and have 350 at a casino?
Was thinking the same thing. In general a lot of the info around image in the OP is kinda throwing me off. You say you are TAG but may be perceived as looser than you really are. Doesn't really matter how you usually play what matters is what villains in this session you are playing right now know about you.

You also mention how V2 is typical passive villain but then he raises the turn and shoves the river. So let me ask you this question - what hand does a passive player do this with that you can beat?
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10-02-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
Was thinking the same thing. In general a lot of the info around image in the OP is kinda throwing me off. You say you are TAG but may be perceived as looser than you really are. Doesn't really matter how you usually play what matters is what villains in this session you are playing right now know about you.

You also mention how V2 is typical passive villain but then he raises the turn and shoves the river. So let me ask you this question - what hand does a passive player do this with that you can beat?
I've only been at the table for 2 hours so i can't nail down any reads yet. I say my image is TAG but may be perceived as loose because people may wrongly infer that I am loose even though i've only shown down very strong hands. I some people may look at me as too loose and some may just realize that i am what i am, a tag running well. Its tough to know which of these villains think but i felt it worth it to put both in OP.
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10-02-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter3041
what do you mean? this is 1/2 not 5/10. people will call down with TPWK and other garbage all the time
We have TPWK when the flop is Jxx. Are people calling down with J2-J6? We have TPWK when the flop is 7xx (unlikely). People love to limp overpairs. We have a hand that is very hard to improve and makes for a really crappy two pair. We are OOP to the whole table. You will never convince me that J7o from the SB is a profitable hand regardless of odds.
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10-02-2015 , 03:13 PM
here is why i posted this hand. When writing this hand in a vacuum I felt like it was an easy fold but something at the time didn't see, right. Maybe i just made a bad call or maybe it was something to do with my small reads on villians but i decided to call. V2 folded and V1 flipped over JT and hero scooped the pot. After the hand i kept wondering weather or not this was a good call and I'm still not sure.

Note: After the hand when asked why he shoved when the flush got there V1 said he was trying to get me to fold but i think this was just him trying to save face and i don't really buy it that old guys are turning trips into a bluff here.
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10-02-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
We have TPWK when the flop is Jxx. Are people calling down with J2-J6? We have TPWK when the flop is 7xx (unlikely). People love to limp overpairs. We have a hand that is very hard to improve and makes for a really crappy two pair. We are OOP to the whole table. You will never convince me that J7o from the SB is a profitable hand regardless of odds.
Ignore this, responded to wrong thread. oops
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