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Top two vs nitty novice -river bet or check ? Top two vs nitty novice -river bet or check ?

07-08-2017 , 09:24 AM
So hoping this is not THAT obvious or silly because in the moment I felt like it was close. Villain is woman who is a tight novice/ casual player who certainly is not been playing straight forward - flat calling mostly everything - have not seen her raise once even with sets and two pair hands and even a straight so it's clear she's not really sure what she's doing and just understands basic rules etc. she's run good and has about 340 after buying in for 100.

Hero in the BB with AK

Folds to V in mid and she limps (limps every hand) co limp, btn limp, so complete - hero raise to 18, V calls and co comes along

Flop (58)

K106

Hero bets 25, v calls, cutoff folds

Turn (108)

A

Hero 60, v call

River (228)

9

Hero? She has like 220 behind - check or go for three streets here
If we are betting how much ?
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07-08-2017 , 09:39 AM
Bet/folding for 1/2ish psb. Wouldn't be upset with 2/3psb though. Never checking river

Rest of hand is well played imo
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07-08-2017 , 10:34 AM
I would make a smallish bet. She isn't going to raise all in according to your read so try to get some value from an A or a smaller 2 pair

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07-08-2017 , 10:34 AM
Like $75

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07-08-2017 , 11:00 AM
I like a bet here. She sounds like a station that will call with any pair but only raise with the stone cold nuts if that. As for sizing I like $100. It doesn't take her below her buy in making it a super easy call for her.
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07-08-2017 , 12:36 PM
Interesting spot.

Sometimes when analyzing a player I try to think in terms of them as robots with algorithms driving their decisions. For some newbie or straightforward players - the algorthms are fairly simple. For instance - based on the little you've described, I might assume an algorithm like this:
> call pre with tight range (say 88+ AQ+ QJss+). Only raise AA.
> call post with TPTK+ or nutted draw. Only raise nuts.
> only call river with TPTK+ Otherwise fold.

Obviously simplified and she likely has some sensitivity to bet sizes. But given this was her programming - what would you bet? Anyway despite this Id assume I have the 'algorithms' wrong and make a small value bet/fold

I guess the answer is 0 - since the only hand in those ranges we beat is KQdd. Other than that shes got sets, AK or QJss.
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07-08-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jake
I guess the answer is 0 - since the only hand in those ranges we beat is KQdd. Other than that shes got sets, AK or QJss.

This is super duper MUBSY (and it doesn't matter if she shows up with better here). This is a pure value spot vs a bad V. Missing this bet (and similar bets to this) change someone's win rate drastically l
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07-08-2017 , 01:21 PM
Flop bet is too small. I would have gone $40.

At the river, it is pretty hard for her to have just TP as the board played out. If she called each street with at least a draw or TP, you're behind her at the river with that range, even including calling T6o pf. Only if she thinks 2nd pair is a call down hand should you bet.
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07-08-2017 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
This is super duper MUBSY (and it doesn't matter if she shows up with better here). This is a pure value spot vs a bad V. Missing this bet (and similar bets to this) change someone's win rate drastically l
+1... easy value bet, and I'd size $100 and bet fast to make it look like a 3 street barell bluff.
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07-08-2017 , 02:49 PM
100 looks good to me.

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07-09-2017 , 12:32 AM
One thing op says is she really doesn't know what she's doing. That makes me think more than likely she has an ace with either the 10 or 6. Very novice played love their ace rags. I'm shoving here and fist pumping when she calls
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07-09-2017 , 12:55 AM
I'm betting for value here 100% of the time. My bet size would be based on my observations of her play so far. My "default" would be $110. Half her stack and nearly half psb. If I had seen her call larger /all in bets I'd shove. If she's the type of calling station who folds to large bets, I'd bet lower, say $75.
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07-09-2017 , 04:22 AM
Flop bigger, turn bigger, shove river.

AP, just 60-65% psb is fine.
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07-10-2017 , 10:05 AM
Thanks all - I ended up checking and she showed KQ - I obviously felt like a huge nit
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07-10-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PardoG
Thanks all - I ended up checking and she showed KQ - I obviously felt like a huge nit
It's not even nitty, you were playing scared. The only reason checking here would ever be correct is if you thought you were crushed, and she was going to shove (or, you thought she would try to bluff off, but based on your read of her, quite unlikely).

I lean more small bet than big, as you don't want to scare K-X off, but checking here is just leaving money on the table.
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07-11-2017 , 10:27 AM
I literally thought she had a set or a straight -not scared in the sense that I wouldn't call it off if I bet and was committed etc - not scared money at 5/10 let alone 1/2 and 1/3....I felt it was honestly the right play at the time but then realized I just overthought it and didn't really play optimally - comments in the thread certainly confirm that
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