Home game playing .50/1 with typical loose play, very gambley table.

V1 - very loose/passive pre, still plays pretty loose post-flop but not as passive. Donk bets when he hits a hand. Will call with draws without proper odds. Pretty stationy but can fold in obvious situations. On his second bullet $200

V2 - very loose pre, willing to bluff entire stack. Not good at hand reading, doesn't seem to understand board texture's effect on his hand strength. Calling station. Will chase draws. Bets aggressively. Just won a monster pot with Jacks full for about 900BB's.

Hero - legit TAG image, comparatively nitty compared to the table. Pretty card-dead, only showdowns were AA and a Q6o button raise that hit top pair OTF and got two streets of value in and held up. $300

OTTH

V1 limps in MP. Folds to V2 on the button, raises to $5. SB calls, Hero raises to $17.50 with AQ in the BB. (I thought SB had folded, so sizing was smaller than I wanted.) V1 and V2 call, SB folds.

Flop ($57.50)

Q75

Hero bets $50, both villains call.

Turn ($207.50)

Q75 A

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets $50. Hero?


V1 ($132.50 behind) usually would have donked with a flush. V1 will always call with a heart draw if I flat. Slight to moderate chance he calls with Khx if I jam. I know V2 can be bluffing, overvaluing Ax, or have hit a flush.

Merits for jamming: I charge the maximum on all heart draws, and V2 will stack off with worse here. Downside: flushes are absolutely in V2's range and he will fold to a jam if he is bluffing, but will barrel if checked to on the river.

Merits for flatting: I know V1 will stay in the hand with flush draws. V2 will frequently call or barrel the river if he is bluffing or has a worse Ax. I will have $180~ behind in a pot with over $350 in it and V2 will call with anything. Downside is I don't charge draws and V1 will give up the river if he misses so I'll miss out on ~$80 in value from him.

That is a very strange bet size without a flush IMO given he called close to pot sized OTF. I don't see how raising is at all for value so I would just flat and re-evaluate river.

I also don't like the 3! pre with this hand, especially OOP vs the big stack. But I know tons of people will disagree. I just flat the $5 and play poker with my hand post flop for a smaller pot.

This player tends to think in terms of absolute value of the money and not in relation to the pot. I don't think he can mentally keep track of the pot size or bet in amounts relevant to drawing odds. His bet is basically saying "this is a lot of money and I have a good hand, come at me bro."

As far as the 3b!, while I obviously disagree based off of my decision, I don't think flatting against these villains is a big mistake, if it is even a mistake at all. V2 in particular will make huge mistakes, so I opted to play a bigger pot to try to get stacks in.

EDIT: V2, not V1, is prone to huge mistakes.

The 3b can be fat value if V2 is a maniac as indicated.

Also, V1 calling with a flush draw is a reason you should raise, not flat. Without deep diving this I think either option is fine. You are probably flipping vs V2s value range and flatting lets him continue with his bluffs, so I think I flat, but if he calls with all his Ax hands and V1 folds a flush draw, then that is a good outcome too.

Cool. Not my style generally but if you have success with it (and you know the players too) then no worries.

Based on his inability to bet size, I still like a call versus a raise on the turn here. Just dont think you are called by worse if you shove (which given remaining stack is the only size left).