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06-09-2020 , 06:36 PM
Hero in the HJ with AQos to 15...1-2 limps in front of me ... Loose/passive table

BUT and SB call; BUT-old lady late 60's SB-loose guy playing a good amount of hands

FLOP: QT6(r); (45) ; X, i bet 27..BUT calls ..SB folds...( i go large bc this board is going to hit their limp calling ranges and i think they'll continue with any piece)

T:K(second spade) (100); I check , BUT bets 50... Hero?
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06-09-2020 , 06:37 PM
180 eff stack
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06-10-2020 , 07:45 AM
I don't consider $27 into $45 to be large on a QT6r board 3-ways. I consider it a bit small, actually. I would generally go at least $30 here.

Turn is gross. On the one hand, it's only half pot. OTOH, an older lady is betting on a very scary board when TP has changed. I fold here.
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06-10-2020 , 08:11 AM
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+1

Larger OTF. There are several OESD and double gutter (98) combos in their calling ranges.

Pre - I assume the limpers folded.
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06-10-2020 , 08:18 AM
What do you know about old lady? Old broads don’t play like they used to. I’ve seen old women play like this with gutters and bottom pair. If she’s that type of old bag, I’m calling. Sans reads I’d probably check fold and make fun of her for wearing an adult diaper to tilt her into playing badly against me then I can take her social security check.
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06-10-2020 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
I don't consider $27 into $45 to be large on a QT6r board 3-ways. I consider it a bit small, actually. I would generally go at least $30 here.

Turn is gross. On the one hand, it's only half pot. OTOH, an older lady is betting on a very scary board when TP has changed. I fold here.
I meant large as in over half pot but ok i don't mind sizing up on the flop

Given the price im getting , i feel like it boils down to whether or not i can put some QJ in her range, it feels like KQ or KT like 100% of the time here and even against those hands i have like 18% so if i can make any money on the river, then calling wouldn't be so bad

but my IO aren't really that great bc when i make a better hand it will be pretty obvioius

I did call in the moment but i think looking back folding is completely fine and probably the better play
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06-10-2020 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BuddyGuy
What do you know about old lady? Old broads don’t play like they used to. I’ve seen old women play like this with gutters and bottom pair. If she’s that type of old bag, I’m calling. Sans reads I’d probably check fold and make fun of her for wearing an adult diaper to tilt her into playing badly against me then I can take her social security check.
lol ezzz buddy no need to take it there with the old people , i can't tell if your kidding
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06-10-2020 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
I meant large as in over half pot but ok i don't mind sizing up on the flop

Given the price im getting , i feel like it boils down to whether or not i can put some QJ in her range, it feels like KQ or KT like 100% of the time here and even against those hands i have like 18% so if i can make any money on the river, then calling wouldn't be so bad

but my IO aren't really that great bc when i make a better hand it will be pretty obvioius

I did call in the moment but i think looking back folding is completely fine and probably the better play
Half pot is my minimum, even on dry boards. I know 1/3 pot c-bets are all the rage these days, but they suck against your average LP LLSNL Vs, imo.

I really don't see QJ in her range basically ever here. QT is more likely by far, and it's much less likely than the ones you noted. You have 25% equity at best (Giving her all combos of KQ, QTs, KTs, and one generous combo of QsJs), which is theoretically enough for a call, but you have zero IOs, are OOP, and that range is probably a little generous.
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06-10-2020 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Half pot is my minimum, even on dry boards. I know 1/3 pot c-bets are all the rage these days, but they suck against your average LP LLSNL Vs, imo.

I really don't see QJ in her range basically ever here. QT is more likely by far, and it's much less likely than the ones you noted. You have 25% equity at best (Giving her all combos of KQ, QTs, KTs, and one generous combo of QsJs), which is theoretically enough for a call, but you have zero IOs, are OOP, and that range is probably a little generous.
Right but if we say she does this with QJ just 10 or 15 % of the time then it could change things. there's always that small chance, i think its important to use weights in spots like this where i have some general information like her age, but only played with her for about an hour so i don't want to get too cocky with ranging her. It's totally different if i see a few showdowns that give away crucial information

i would have to put some discounted sets in her range as well to be fair, when i bet into her on flop i don't think she's raising me too often on this rainbow board. so maybe 70% of (TT,66) that she flats with, even tho TT should be 3b pre fairly often

so idk , it seems super marginal
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06-10-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Half pot is my minimum, even on dry boards. I know 1/3 pot c-bets are all the rage these days, but they suck against your average LP LLSNL Vs, imo.
THere are certain spots where you can yield the same amount of FE regardless of sizing, like HU in a 3b pot

I think never betting less than 1/2 pot is pretty crazy bc you're basically guaranteeing that you don't get good prices on your bluffs
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06-10-2020 , 02:43 PM
Maybe HU in a 3b pot against a reg, but never, ever against limp/callers, imo.

And I did give her one combo of QJ, which is 8% of the time. More than that is really reaching, imo, and as you say there could also be sets in her range.
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06-11-2020 , 04:32 AM
I check flop with this hand given no FD and smallish SPR.

It's A "two-street" hand on Q-T-xr multiway anyways imo and your hand isn't particularly vulnerable.

Fold seems fine vs this V ott.
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06-11-2020 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
I check flop with this hand given no FD and smallish SPR.

It's A "two-street" hand on Q-T-xr multiway anyways imo and your hand isn't particularly vulnerable.

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