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Old 03-05-2017, 01:56 AM   #1
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Top Top 66 bb deep

Live 1/3, 9 handed.
V1: No real reads, 1st orbit at table. Middle age Asian dude.



Hero - $850
V1 - $200
Everyone else around $200 EFF.

2 limps in front of me, I raise to $15 in mp with AQo (no heart). 2 calls behind, bb calls, 2 EP limpers call.

($90) Flop: T♦Q♥ 7♥
-Checked to me, bet $75, guy directly behind after 10 seconds goes all in $185 total. Folded around to me.


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Old 03-05-2017, 02:40 AM   #2
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

This shallow + dead money, I think call. We need to be good 24% & on a such a wet board, with him possibly having the NFD...

Moreover, I think we need to increase our pf sizing here. Has the table been call happy, or is this an anomaly? I'd normally go $20-25 here. On the flop, I think smaller sizing would be better considering TP isn't great at all vs so many players. It's a poor spot to be in. Hard to charge draws and not value-town ourselves (hence the larger sizing pre. All decisions snowball). I wouldn't lead over $55, maybe 60.
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Old 03-05-2017, 02:48 PM   #3
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

I prefer bigger pre-flop,maybe 18-20 would be good.
I think your sizing on the flop is a little large, but not awful.
Think we have to call here, expecting to see draws pretty often, sometimes we will be crushed but there is a lot of dead money here which makes this a call.
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:35 PM   #4
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

With everyone just $200 effective and already 2 limps, this is a trivial $20+ raise for me so that I have a trivial stack off situation postflop with TP.

The SPR is like 2 and the board is super drawy. I don't like we went eleventeen ways (which I'm assuming is unexpected) but I actually think I just open shove. We're committing ourselves with any bet unless some crazy action breaks out to a smaller bet, worse Qx can easily call, draws can call, etc.

As played, I call. We're getting about 3:1, so only have to be good 25% of the time, which I'm sure we are, plus we can still suck out against some hands that are ahead of us.

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Old 03-06-2017, 03:11 PM   #5
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

20-25 pre. Flop sizing is fine. As played, call. I expect to see worse Qx or some kind of draw a good chunk of the time.
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Old 03-07-2017, 08:27 PM   #6
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

Should we be more or less likely to call here with a heart in our hand?

What if it was 10h Qx 7h?

Heart gives us more equity (especially Ace), but blocks his bluffs.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:20 PM   #7
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

Snapping with TPTK and an SPR of 2.
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:00 AM   #8
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

No way you can fold here, this shallow.

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Should we be more or less likely to call here with a heart in our hand?

What if it was 10h Qx 7h?

Heart gives us more equity (especially Ace), but blocks his bluffs.
Obviously we're calling either way, but I'm happy that we don't have the Ah, since it gives him more bluffs.

Your second question is interesting. I don't think it matters which card is offsuit, since villain's two-pair outs beat us either way. But I'm not sure I'm right about this.
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Old 03-08-2017, 05:03 AM   #9
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

raise more pre, easy snap. sorry you lost gg
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Old 03-08-2017, 11:58 AM   #10
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Re: Top Top 66 bb deep

Snap and I don't think it's close. SPR and your bet sizing has pretty much forced anyone who wants to continue to play for their stack (which is a good thing), and there are a lot of hands that are going to choose to stack off on this flop that you crush. KJ, TJ, QJ, KQ, nfd, other random flush draws. I'm only really worried abdout QT, TT and 77, but it just doesn't matter here. Hand plays itself.

Well played other than a touch small pre (I would have gone $18-21)
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