1/2 at local casino

V1 ~300: LagFish sort of similar to the description here - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-fish-1510666/
I've seen him raise hands like Q9o preflop and he bets a lot of the time when checked through to him.

V2 ~150: Mostly straightforward player

Hero ~ 250

Preflop
V1 UTG raise to 10, V2 UTG+1 call, BTN calls. Hero in SB w AdJh, three-bet to 45, both V's call, BTN folds. (I know I either should have just called here, or make it more than 45)

Flop (147)
Jc 4c 8h
Hero?

I am thinking I can get all kinds of value from V1 as he will call with almost any piece of the board, but I am concerned V2 is strong. Is top top enough to get it in as I only have a little over a pot sized bet left?

Thanks!

3b size is fine imo to isolate V1.

If you think he’s betting a lot when checked to I like a x/j unless he sizes it really small in which case I x/c.

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Agreed about the 3bet pre, though like OP said I would have made it larger to either take it down immediately or get it heads up with lagfish.

I think I like a check on the flop if villain is going to lead here almost always, though I'd be concerned about V2 jamming and leaving us in a tough spot. Then again, V2 has to worry about you potentially slowplaying on flop w/JJ+... Also, if you lead, V1 calls and V2 jams you're in a tough spot regardless.

I hate the 3! pre, but now that you have flopped the world you want to do whatever it takes to get the rest in.

I would have liked a slightly bigger 3! pre ($50-55)

But now that you're here, X/J is the only line I'm feeling good about.

It might even be ok to jam right away and pretend we're spazzing out to get V2 to call.

I don't like 3bet squeezing preflop oop with AJo.

On the flop we hit our dream board with an SPR of 1.3:1 so go ahead and jam 205 into 147. You could do the same with QQ+ and occasionally do the same with AK.

I don't want to bet less than pot and end up with an awkward situation if someone calls, someone else jams, the other guy is priced in and suddenly we're in a 3-way race with 2 other guys who have hands with reasonable equity. Or worse, they call a bet and we end up getting the rest of our chips in on the turn drawing thin.

It's hard to put V2(a straight forward player?!) on QQ+ the way the action played out preflop. And he has more combos of hands we are happy to get the chips in against:
AQs,AJs,AK,TT,99 (28 combos)
Than hands that we should be worried about:
JJ,88 (4 combos)

Even if we and V2 had started the hand with 360 in effective stacks preflop instead of 150, we should still be stacking off on this flop with 147 already in the pot.

3! pre is perfect - lots of nits in this thread who don't want to 3! AJo OOP against a guy who opens wide. We sure as hell aren't calling AJo in the SB, so what, you guys want to fold pre? Insanity.

AP I just jam and let one of the Vs level themselves into a call. If we were just a bit deeper I'd like c/jam more.

Pre is good could have been slightly larger. Flop is fun I think I go x/jam regardless of what V2 does. If there’s less than a 50% chance V1 bets however than I’m just going to lead myself and shove good turns.

Result:
I jammed and both V's called. V1 surprisingly had QQ and V2 also had AJ. After reading the replies I think check jam would have been better but I dont see a way I don't lose the max here. I guess I should have given V1 more credit bc the raise came UTG. Thank you all for the replies!

Depends. You didn't indicate in your reads from what position he opened Q9o, if it was over limpers, etc. Generally yes you should assign tighter ranges to EP opens, but I at least got the impression that you had observed this guy playing super wide, so without any info to the contrary AJo is ahead of his open range, even in EP.

Yeah he was definitely opening wide but he also had a limping range. He was limping garbage like J5o but also opening as I said with Q9o, K10o, etc but I did not take note of the other details you have mentioned. I will make sure to do this next session. If I combine his opening range plus UTG I would like to think AJ is ahead, but that could also be me trying to convince myself after the fact lol.

Not every LLSNL player is positionally aware. Many will open the same range regardless of position - that's something to keep an eye on as you develop reads. If I saw a player open stuff like Q9o anything earlier than the CO, I would assume they open too wide until proven otherwise. And if you're going to play AJo from the SB, a 3! is infinitely better than flatting.

I'm just wondering what our plan is after we completely whiff the flop (2/3 times) and there are still 2 opponents in the hand. How often will our 3! take it down realistically?

Are we continuing to rep an overpair and barrelling most of the time?

If we size properly (taking into account being OOP and a caller in between), it'll be rare that both Villains call us. If they do, then, yes, I'm c-betting most textures. We miss most flops, yes, but so does AQ/AK. And pairs that called to set mine will most often whiff.

"If you're going to play AJo from the SB"
Is it ever profitable here to fold?

If Old Man Coffee raises 6x from early position with effective stacks of 100bb then AJo becomes a trivially easy fold.

Even if we know he only has AA/KK/AK and might stack off if we hit trip jacks on the flop, with 100bb effective stacks the payout when we eventually hit wont be enough to make up for all the times we bleed chips when we miss.

Some would argue that you should always be folding AJo out of position to a raise from a tight player.

Yes I agree with that but for the most part if the average player raises the standard amount from any position I think it has to be a call or 3bet, with more frequency of 3bet. I think AJs can call most times.