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09-21-2015 , 11:27 AM
V just came from a broken table with about $700 or so. Had the image if a decent thinking reg (carried a backpack, took his time to make decisions etc...)
After about 20 minutes at the table he was slightly agitated as he began to slough off some chips. He's made some calls OTR but hasn't shown any hands. Hero is sitting on $700 and has a winning/tight image although V hasn't been there long enough to see that. Hero has raised and won a few pots since the V sat down.

Pre: V limps UTG. 2 other limpers. Hero raises QQ to 14 OTB. 3 callers.

Flop (~$60): Q67
Checks to Hero who bets $35. V calls.

Turn (~$130): 9
Checks to hero who bets $65. V c/r to $165. Hero???

Obv not a fold here. If he somehow gets there with 108 or 58 then oh well.

The question is should I be happy to take it down here or try and get max value from top set? Is a call to dangerous? Is a jam too strong? If I CIB I'm allowing his draw to get there or possibly inducing a RRAI from a lower set (or the nuts?). Maybe this is more clear than I think but it was curious at the time because this guy was a thinker, not a swimmer.

TIA
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09-21-2015 , 11:40 AM
Your flop and turn bets are too small. Pot the flop and bet like $150 on the turn.

AP, I would make it $400.
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09-21-2015 , 11:41 AM
I figured that would be the first response I would get and I agree 100%.
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09-21-2015 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Your flop and turn bets are too small. Pot the flop and bet like $150 on the turn.

AP, I would make it $400.
Because you want to play for stacks? In a lot of games I think potting this flop with top set is kind of bad. Despite the two flush and connecting cards, I don´t think a PSB gets called that often. I much prefer a smaller bet to get calls from middle and bottom pair, gutshots, OESD´s, all flush draws, junk like Ad8x.

I´d bet larger on this turn though.

If we trust our read that he doesn´t limp T8o UTG, pretty obvious raise here. 9 set combos and only the 1 or 2 unlikely straights.

Against typical 1/2 players I think they have 50:50 straights vs sets/two pairs and we´re best to go into calldown mode to keep their range wide. If river is a non pairing diamond perhaps we bet/fold there.
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09-21-2015 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Because you want to play for stacks? In a lot of games I think potting this flop with top set is kind of bad. Despite the two flush and connecting cards, I don´t think a PSB gets called that often. I much prefer a smaller bet to get calls from middle and bottom pair, gutshots, OESD´s, all flush draws, junk like Ad8x.
It's going to be very hard to get stacks in without cooperation, but when you're this deep, you should always be threatening to put lots of money in in position. Most of the time you bet this flop, you won't have top set, so if they want to fold everything worse than TPTK to a PSB here, that's fine.
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09-21-2015 , 08:08 PM
Raise more pre.

Bet bigger on flop.

Bet bigger on turn.

AP, call and evaluate river. I'm not going broke here by re-raising to $400 and allowing my villain to play perfectly.
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09-22-2015 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Your flop and turn bets are too small. Pot the flop and bet like $150 on the turn.

AP, I would make it $400.
+2
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09-22-2015 , 05:15 AM
What are stacks? You said he sat with $700 and then lost for 20 minutes. How much?
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