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Top set vs EP opener. Top set vs EP opener.

12-07-2018 , 09:38 PM
1/3 NL Jack Casino Cincinnati $100-$300 BI


HERO - MAWG Reg in this room but mainly plays PLO. Dipping my toes back into the NL streets since the buyins have increased. I was a 10 BB winner in 1/2 back in the day but it has been a while. I have been running pretty hot thus far and have a $1500 stack for this hand.

Villain - 25 year old White guy. Started hand with $500 and just transferred from another table. This hand happens within the first couple of orbits.

OTTH

Villain is UTG and opens to $10.
2 players call in between.
Hero is in SB with 9c9d and calls.
BB folds.

Flop ($43)
9 5 3

Hero checks
UTG bets $30
Folded to Hero who raises to $80.
UTG hesitates for a less than 5 seconds and calls.

Turn ($203) 2
Hero?

If he has AA, this card helps with adding a gutter. TT-KK might still call a small value bet but we probably aren't getting it all. With about $400 behind, what is your sizing here?
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12-07-2018 , 10:35 PM
About 25% of the time, I jam it all in on the turn. Hes going to look at you like youre crazy but I bet you get a fair amount of calls from over pairs.

Mostly I would bet about $160
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12-07-2018 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
TT-KK might still call a small value bet but we probably aren't getting it all.
That's not going to stop me from trying. $125 sets up a nice river shove of $275 into $450.
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12-07-2018 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
About 25% of the time, I jam it all in on the turn. Hes going to look at you like youre crazy but I bet you get a fair amount of calls from over pairs.
I've been experimenting with lines like these lately, and honestly I've been surprised how well they work. Against someone I know is a bit more competent it's not a great play, but I think more average players end up leveling themselves into a call vs. an overbet.
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12-07-2018 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
I've been experimenting with lines like these lately, and honestly I've been surprised how well they work. Against someone I know is a bit more competent it's not a great play, but I think more average players end up leveling themselves into a call vs. an overbet.
A bad player with TT would overbet shove the turn because hes afraid of an overcard so a lot of guys will call with AA-QQ.
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12-07-2018 , 11:09 PM
Once you raise flop you need to lead turn. Otherwise villain checks behind way too often.

I like $125/$130 on the turn. This is a careful balance between betting too much on the turn and not getting enough in the pot for an easy to call river shove.

If you don't bet turn you are giving up on playing for villain's stack. If you knew he was nitty and he really agonized over calling turn I might go that way. But the quick call either means a hand he isn't going to give up easily or a draw.
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12-08-2018 , 10:24 AM
3b pre.

AP I love the c/r on this board specifically after flatting from sb. You range is still full of combo draws so TT+ will be compelled to continue.

AP bet 155.

Welcome back.
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12-10-2018 , 12:24 PM
I'm fine with preflop.

A $10 raise at my table is typically a juicer raise plus the raiser is unlikely to cbet into so many opponents, so way too good a chance he checks the flop, so I would just donk myself. If other stacks are smaller than his the SPR is such that we'll probably need 3 big bets to go in to play for stacks, so I'd just PSB this drawy board. It's also not just going to be about him; we're targetting the other guys too.

I like giving poor 2:1 odds to chase draws, especially as stacks get deeper (to lessen IO), so if check/raising I'd go $130. Think we went far too small here. Yeah, he'll likely release weak one pair hands here, but we're really targetting draws or hands he smashed the flop with (and given he cbet after a juicer type raise there's a good chance he has those hands).

I think our ranging is off. Most people don't like going very multiway preflop with TT+ (especially the bigger pairs), so I think there's a much better chance his range is way wider than that. But I play in a 1/3 NL game where a lol $10 raise in EP is going 5+ways to the flop every single time (is that what KK wants?). I'd go big on the turn to at least 3/4 PSB to charge the hands he is more likely to continue with.

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12-10-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
I've been experimenting with lines like these lately, and honestly I've been surprised how well they work. Against someone I know is a bit more competent it's not a great play, but I think more average players end up leveling themselves into a call vs. an overbet.
its just room/people/player/game dependent. i had a decent stretch where i tried to go for max value and villains would like snap fold strong hands.
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12-10-2018 , 09:49 PM
$150 -> shove river nh
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12-11-2018 , 02:25 AM
$130 ott and shove river.

Flop sizing is fine as an exploit since we are fairly deep, a 3 street game seems more reasonable.

100 bigs deep I probably raise flop to 100 and jam every turn (even if flush completes).
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