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03-24-2019 , 07:20 PM
1/2 9 handed. I just moved to the table 10min ago. Hero covers both Vs and has a clean image. Probably known to the regs at the table as a TAG who has the ability to mix it up and apply pressure in spots.

V1, BB $81. MAWW. Always short stacking, VERY nitty postflop. Will make "bad" calls preflop given her stack size, but won't be calling with trash hands. Only puts money in post when very strong. When she donk leads in hands, it will represent a very strong range.

V2, UTG $331 Early 30s WG. Plays larger games when running, but not overly aggressive. Just a solid thinking TAG who is situationally aware. Definitely respect his game.

OTTH: V2 opens UTG to $8, H 3! HJ $25 with black Aces. Don't like sizing this small, but with the small open and the table being very tight, that's why I select this size. Both Vs call.

Flop: $76 A92

V1 open ships for $56. V2 slightly tanks then calls. I'm actually fairly concerned here because of how tight V1 is. I highly doubt she's even open shipping AK with K, so I weight her heavily to sets and flushes. I also know V2 realizes this as well, so his call with me still to act behind as the PF 3-better is kind of alarming. Obviously not folding, so I call.

Turn: $244 J

V2 leads $130, with about $120 behind. When he leads like this into a dry sidepot I think he has flushes almost exclusively. I'm not quite getting the direct odds to call, but I also believe that he's not folding for his last $120 if the board pairs OTR, so I do think I have the implied odds to call. Obviously believe I have not FE, so I didn't think shoving was an option. I decide to call and then I could for sure fold on rivers.

River: $244 main, $240 side 7

V2 tanks for about 30 seconds then shoves his last $120. Hero hates life but just isn't in the mood to fold for this sizing, hero sigh calls.

So I think my river call is bad and that I could find a fold. My question is about the rest of the hand. Given the exact situation of the Vs and the knowledge by both myself and V2 than V1 is super nutted when she open ships flop, was my line okay to just call flop and turn. Against a lot of random Vs, I'm raising flop and jamming turn. I just felt that knowing V1 was very strong cascades to knowing V2 is very nutted as well when he calls flop and leads turn/river into a dry sidepot.
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03-24-2019 , 07:36 PM
You flopped top set in a 3b multiway pot 150bbs deep. More importantly its an A high monotone, blocking nearly all the realistic flush combos.

High five the dealer and rip flop.

When dealer turns a non-heart get up and hug him and rip again.

As played when dealer brings a non heart river look at his name tag, tell him you're naming your first born after him because brick brick literally never happens to you, and beat V2 into the pot.

Then when V2 rolls over KQ calm down and quietly say "nice hand".
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03-25-2019 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
You flopped top set in a 3b multiway pot 150bbs deep. More importantly its an A high monotone, blocking nearly all the realistic flush combos.

High five the dealer and rip flop.

When dealer turns a non-heart get up and hug him and rip again.

As played when dealer brings a non heart river look at his name tag, tell him you're naming your first born after him because brick brick literally never happens to you, and beat V2 into the pot.

Then when V2 rolls over KQ calm down and quietly say "nice hand".
+1 never folding top set here, raising flop for sure

Have to get the money in before the river where he can fold his unimproved draws, and 4th heart kills your action against hands you are doing well against, sets, TP etc..
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03-25-2019 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
You flopped top set in a 3b multiway pot 150bbs deep. More importantly its an A high monotone, blocking nearly all the realistic flush combos.

High five the dealer and rip flop.

When dealer turns a non-heart get up and hug him and rip again.

As played when dealer brings a non heart river look at his name tag, tell him you're naming your first born after him because brick brick literally never happens to you, and beat V2 into the pot.

Then when V2 rolls over KQ calm down and quietly say "nice hand".
(Forgot the frosty consolation advice)
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03-25-2019 , 03:17 AM
Just let the cooler unfold naturally and jam flop.
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03-25-2019 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
You flopped top set in a 3b multiway pot 150bbs deep. More importantly its an A high monotone, blocking nearly all the realistic flush combos.

High five the dealer and rip flop.

When dealer turns a non-heart get up and hug him and rip again.

As played when dealer brings a non heart river look at his name tag, tell him you're naming your first born after him because brick brick literally never happens to you, and beat V2 into the pot.

Then when V2 rolls over KQ calm down and quietly say "nice hand".
+1

Fist bumping the dealer is also an acceptable line.
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03-25-2019 , 03:28 AM
Stuff is obviously super narrow, and there ain’t high fives in order, but you could have it all backwards here w UTG actually having a set and the woman slightly more flush heavy. Action is consistent with this. Either way, it’s still just a gii ASAP spot, do that, let the universe have its laugh, move on, and then instead of asking how to maneuver postflop, you would consider why your pre strat would have you decide to raise SMALLER in a tight game facing an utg open. The whole point is, utg open is going to be strong so size up and catch the top of that range in a the pot early.
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03-25-2019 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Stuff is obviously super narrow, and there ain’t high fives in order, but you could have it all backwards here w UTG actually having a set and the woman slightly more flush heavy. Action is consistent with this. Either way, it’s still just a gii ASAP spot, do that, let the universe have its laugh, move on, and then instead of asking how to maneuver postflop, you would consider why your pre strat would have you decide to raise SMALLER in a tight game facing an utg open. The whole point is, utg open is going to be strong so size up and catch the top of that range in a the pot early.
Makes sense. My standard 3! size is usually 3x +1x for each field caller, then add 1-2x if I'm OOP or the game is playing loose. From that perspective my 3! size is normal for me, it's just smaller than normal given the small opening size from V. Maybe I should have deviated from my standard formula to compensate for his small sizing, but on the button with no field callers I really didn't want to size so large that it folded out everything but the tippy-top of his range.

As for most of the other posts; I wasn't advocating trying to fold the hand, I was mostly asking about taking an unorthodox line with specific reads and a lot of history with the Vs involved. I'm obviously aware that I have enough equity for it to be +EV with top set to GII OTF no matter what, but was curious if it's the most +EV line when I believe V2s hand to be face up as flushes exclusively. If I were to construct a range for V2, I don't even see his line being consistent with smaller sets.
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03-25-2019 , 12:23 PM
If you can nail Vs ranges that tightly(I'm skeptical but it's your thread) then each street is a pretty trivial pot odds question. Also fold river obv.
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03-25-2019 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
If you can nail Vs ranges that tightly(I'm skeptical but it's your thread) then each street is a pretty trivial pot odds question. Also fold river obv.
And that's where I clearly made a mistake, even if I'm okay with the line I took up until the river. I truly believed OTT that I could fold river unimproved. Then of course I sighed and went ahead and called river anyways.
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03-25-2019 , 04:16 PM
I think V2 would be raising his sets OTF here for protection so I see where you're coming from here when you range him on strictly flushes
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