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Old 12-01-2017, 03:36 AM   #1
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Top set otf

Hi all,

1/2 MD Live Casino. Hero tag image playing for 8 hours with villain. Villain $550 hero covers. Villain is young wg and appears tag as well.

Hero limps UTG 99 (I considered raising but decided from ep I didn’t want to face a massive 3!). V on BTN raises $11, hero calls. Heads up to the flop.

Flop: 9c-6c-2s.

Hero bets $15, v raises $45, hero raises $200. V tank folds.

I wasn’t sure about sizing otf. If v has AcKc I want to charge him massively for his draw. If he has an overpair I might have gone smaller. Thoughts?

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Old 12-01-2017, 03:45 AM   #2
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Re: Top set otf

I think 200 is too much. I prefer a call and evaluate the turn. Most likely check the turn and try to catch a bluff. Maybe lead the river but that is player dependant. terrible at poker.
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:47 AM   #3
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Re: Top set otf

raise played, c/r flop, bet turn, bet played, your 4.5x RR on the flop is HUGE
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:48 AM   #4
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Re: Top set otf

Prefer you check raise flop here. I guess leading is okay sometimes. As played $130 feels better than $200.
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:58 AM   #5
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Re: Top set otf

Raise pre. We are deep enough to call most 3bets.

I really don't like your flop line. I'm checking 100% to the raiser. We miss sooo much value when he just folds AK to our lead. I think i x/r but i could talk myself into x/c as well.

AP i flat his 45. There are ~10 FD combo's which may continue, but 30 overpair combo's which he likely folds to your 3bet. Ott we can x/shove any non club.
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:37 AM   #6
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Re: Top set otf

110 would be fine reraising 200 is too much. I used to not raise 9s myself until I posted a few hands here and realized the equity I was missing out on. Even if you make it 10 it still would help.
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:22 PM   #7
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Re: Top set otf

I'm on the fence pre. Open limping 99 utg 9 handed is absolutely fine IF the table is loose/passive pre but sticky post, and you are likely just bloating a mw pot oop w/a mid pp. If the table is full of droolers who play fit or fold and blast off otf w/ one pair, OR single raised pots often get hu or 3ways, then I like a raise more, but deep vs decent players position becomes PARAMOUNT. An over card will flop ~80% of the time. Also, I don't care how deep we are, getting stacks in by the river is still possible in limped pots.
TBH, not wanting to get 3b is a bad reason for not raising. We are deep enough to call a normal sized 3b to set mine. How is the table playing OP?

Also, this from best of LLSNL:

otf we need to keep our range wide and try to drag this out over 3 streets. b/3b otf is too face up imo. Are you ever doing this with like ATcc? TT? 78s? Probably no to all, right? I think V figured that out and mucked JJ+. Ckr/b/b is a good line, otherwise cc/ckr/b is good too. We risk a street checking thru with these lines, but getting a river bet called is what we need to focus on. (also, if you ck/r flop and a club falls, DON'T CHECK! Bet/fold. Always.)
AP you can still keep your range wide by just calling the 45 and going for a ck/r on most turns.

I'm guessing you are used to playing short stacked and are accustomed to getting stacks in pre or otf. Playing deep means playing 4 betting rounds more often. I get that the flush draw is staring you in the face, but realistically, that is such a narrow slice of his range that we are targeting with the flop 3b, it shouldn't be the deciding factor when we choose our line.
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Old 12-01-2017, 01:44 PM   #8
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Re: Top set otf

Definitely raise preflop shouldn’t be worrying about the what if’s when it comes to potential three bets. As played I don’t mind leading sometimes with sets especially on a flush draw board. Preflop raisers can tend to be a bit more sticky in these spots especially on this texture board not to mention raise with weaker holdings . When he raises I like a flat to try and check raise the turn. If a club comes on the turn it can also mean that opponent picked up some equity with a pair and big club allowing you to bet into him and get a call as well.

Definitely don’t let the opponent off the hook with such a large reraise on the flop. Either size it smaller or just flat to allow your opponent to put money in badly on future streets
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