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03-15-2015 , 01:56 PM

AlexOrbs

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1/2 Mohegan Sun

Hero (~180) only at the table for one orbit, not many reads haven't played any hands either.

V (~400) Older white guy looks like he plays alot haven't seen him play other than this hand though.

Hero UTG+1 picks up Q

and opens to 12

This way my first raise at the table, one fold to V who looks over and says "12? why so much? let's make it 35"
folds around back to hero who calls.

I don't see the old white guy make a speech then 3b with anything worse than AK KK or AA so that is what i range this guy on.

Flop (~70) Q

Hero checks

V bets 35

Hero goes all in for 145

How is the line? will post results later

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03-15-2015 , 01:59 PM

Richard Parker

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Effective stack size makes this hand pretty much playing on its own.

The worst thing you could do is fold, and there aren't enough chips behind nor reads to evaluate whether there are better lines.

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03-15-2015 , 02:24 PM

bobman0330

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Fold pre unless you know your opponent will play transparently postflop (primarily meaning he will shut down with AK if he misses).

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03-15-2015 , 02:59 PM

AlexOrbs

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Fold pre unless you know your opponent will play transparently postflop (primarily meaning he will shut down with AK if he misses).

you would just fold QQ to a single 3b?

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03-15-2015 , 03:03 PM

jesse123

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I would just let it go pre. You don't have set-mining odds. It's an old guy. You don't have a good read on him.

It should be pretty obvious that you have a good hand since you're UTG and it's your first pre-flop raise. A lot of old guys don't even have AK in their pre-flop 3-betting range. For some of them it's just AA/KK. For some of them it's just AA.

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03-15-2015 , 03:06 PM

jesse123

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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs

you would just fold QQ to a single 3b?

What's your plan post flop if you call? The flop comes T32r, are you stacking off? Are you c/f a-high and k-high flops? Are you going to call a c-bet and hope that he's got AK and shuts it down on the turn?

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03-15-2015 , 03:10 PM

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs

you would just fold QQ to a single 3b?

You're the one who put him on {KK+, AK} (with good reason). We are barely getting pot odds to call that range if we were all-in with our call, and it's going to be very hard not to bleed off more money when we don't flop a set than we earn when we do.

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03-15-2015 , 07:55 PM

Willyoman

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Whole hand looks good.

I'm kinda interested in donking flop really small, like 20, to induce a raise, with the plan to 3-bet. Thinking about his range, which is probably pretty strong pre-flop (dunno if it's quite as strong as you think), I think he could raise with a lot of AK w/flush draws, KK and AA.

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03-15-2015 , 08:20 PM

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs

you would just fold QQ to a single 3b?

You should. At the table it's easier said than done.

Ap, seems pretty standard. He's cbetting with the A or K

most of the time so shipping forces him to call incorrectly.

If he has exactly A

or he sucked out then that sucks, but that's variance.

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03-15-2015 , 08:42 PM

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haha_TP

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If you wanna know the best line, you really need to do some EV calcs with different assumptions (maybe some math inclined posters will help you out with this), like if he'll stack off all overpairs, with or without a spade or AK w/ a spade, against your strong line, then I like your play. I kind of like betting and letting him raise and committing himself. Check/calling is clearly the worst because he could pot control the turn and leading after check calling is ok but I'd rather give my opponent an opportunity to put more money on an earlier street; a spade kills your action unless he has one or an ace if he has KK.

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03-15-2015 , 10:32 PM

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matzah_ball

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fold pre, seems like he has AA almost always.

Flop is good.

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03-16-2015 , 11:42 AM

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eldiesel

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You're not getting odds to mine, and QQ against an old guy making speeches is a mine. Unless you see differently eventually, I wouldn't include AK in that 3b range.

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03-16-2015 , 11:57 AM

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Playbig2000

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old guy with a speech is AA or KK (not even AK) and if he is the type of player I am thinking of, I would fold pre to him.

I am assuming he had the A of

's and got there

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03-16-2015 , 01:53 PM

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AlexOrbs

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thanks everyone for the responses.

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