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top set facing a 200bb turn shove.. top set facing a 200bb turn shove..

01-23-2018 , 01:38 AM
Playing live at Solaire in Manila last night. A little history with the villian. He was a younger, say 28, filipino who is somewhat a regular. He usually plays a little short stacked 50-60 bb is common but tonight he had around 100bb...

In the first hand i played with him i opened from the HJ KJ suited and he 3 bet me from the sb a little less than 3x so i called in position. Heads up on a A84 board (no spades, my suit) he shoved the flop and i folded of course and he turned over AA for the flopped set. When i asked him "why shove" he gave me some story about his set of aces getting sucked out on the night before. Fair enough if your memory is that sticky.

Anyway over the next couple of hours he is pretty much in every pot and raising pre a good 40-50% of the time if it limps to him. He is pretty passive post flop never re raising and calling a ton, especially with missed draws. He is one of those guys when they fold they pick up the cards and kind of spike them into the middle revealing at least the bottom card so most of my missed draw info comes from my observation of that hole card.

The hand in question. A very nitty or card dead french kid (also 28-30ish) raised 5x pre (250 peso). Our villian is on the button and flats as does one other (pot 1075). I look down at pocket 9's and come along. Important side notes. This is the last hand to be played as the table will break and be merged with another. Main villian has some chips in a rack now and some on the table. Also Guy to my right has a dealt deuce flip on him when tossed by the dealer. when it got around to him pre he folded but before folding shook his head and showed me the 2nd card was a deuce also.

The flop come 9 3 2 with two hearts (neither of my 9's are hearts). Everyone checks around to the PFR who bets 500..Villian calls (pot now 2075), other dude folds and i make it 2300. French guy goes into a long line of table talk, will i show, yada yada. I somewhat engage him telling him my flush draws, straight draws two pair and sets might do this as well as total air if im a maniac. he finally folds and the Villian surprisingly calls the reraise.

The turn was the 6 of hearts bringing in the flush and completing a 5-4 for a straight. I now check planning on check calling a bet and villian takes his rack and throws his loose chips on top of it and shoves the 170 or so BB in the middle. I thought for about 30 seconds and folded. I must say the mucked deuces at the start of the hand crossed my mind as far as dead outs. Thoughts from all? It was my last hand of the night so after i folded the french kid asked again if i would tell him what i had (he had Jacks) and i told him i had top set. He couldnt believe that i folded that and didnt believe that i was telling the truth...

Thoughts?
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01-23-2018 , 02:40 AM
Nh.

Turn sounds like a fold though it's hard for me to see how much was in the pot and how much was left in remaining stacks.

Best not to talk during a hand when its multiway.

Please use this kind of format when posting.
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01-23-2018 , 02:53 AM
There's like 112BB in the pot, shove is for 170ish and hero presumably covers.

You're going to need him to have something that isn't a straight or a flush like 25% of the time to call here. I don't think that's happening, so fold.
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01-23-2018 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
There's like 112BB in the pot, shove is for 170ish and hero presumably covers.

You're going to need him to have something that isn't a straight or a flush like 25% of the time to call here. I don't think that's happening, so fold.
This. His hand is faceup as a turned straight or most likely flush, so pretty easy fold actually even though we have topset. We can send villain a thank you for showing us that were beat= so its easier for us to fold our monster and save some money.
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01-23-2018 , 05:14 AM
Thanks. I will try to use the suggested format next time. Maybe i got a bit too descriptive of the hand. On the flop i could have led into the PRF but was quite sure he was on such a strong range that he would bet. Still, leading is a possibility and given that board would represent plenty of semi bluffs as well as value combos. Not sure if checking and hoping for one of the two remaining players to bet was more +EV in the long run. Luckily he (the French young man) did bet and the Villian called trapping a decent amount in the pot for my XR.

i guess i didnt include this but the Villian showed the 5 of clubs after the hand. Just highly doubt he is doing that with a gutter alone.

I play often live out here and on Stars and have been told that posting in this community is one of the best ways to learn and improve so thanks for the inputs.
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01-23-2018 , 05:42 AM
Showing the 5c is a near lock that he has the straight for two reasons: 1) he's trying to troll you, but if he had nothing he could just show both cards 2) there are no hands he can take that flop line with that contain a 5 other than 54.
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