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09-20-2013 , 06:58 PM
1-2. eff stacks 200... V (sat down an hour ago) is agro player been raising 2/3 times an orbit...has been bluffed out a couple of times as well by the 'rock' old man (hasn't spewed)... lots of c bets... basically very active but he knows what he's doing and knows who to iso and when to fold... one of the better players at the table... my image is pretty tight, haven't shown any bluffs, last hour won 2 hands with the better kicker at sd, I have laid down a couple of hands to V due to over size bet rather than any other 'logic'...

Limps to me in sb. I raise to 28 (I'm pretty sure I'm getting no action if I raise any more) with kk V (bb) calls, MP, CO calls...
FLOP K84 all spades...

he's a player that would call pf with any 2 spades (pos on me and not worried about other two) as well as the usual range we might expect...

suggestions please on how I proceed...
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09-20-2013 , 07:06 PM
lol youre 100bb effective. barrel away and get it in.
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09-20-2013 , 07:39 PM
U raised to 28$ and got callers?

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09-20-2013 , 07:59 PM
If V is a really stabby type player, probably opt for CRAI. Otherwise, stacks of other players matter. Probably just open-jamming unless you're deeper with one of the limpers. Pretty tough for them to have a hand that will call 70ish but not 170 on this board given you have two of the kings.
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09-20-2013 , 08:10 PM
what I usually do in these situations is pretend I look at my cards to see if I have any spades, then without hesitation proceed to bet about 3/4 pot. You don't want to give him odds if he has a high spade.

Theres 4 players on the flop and the pot is about 115... why did you raise so much preflop? your cbet is going to commit the rest of your stack

Last edited by Playbig2000; 09-20-2013 at 08:19 PM. Reason: 2+2 TOS
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09-20-2013 , 08:18 PM
yes 3 callers...I checked V bets 20 (now im really worried)...fold, fold...
Me?
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09-20-2013 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Calidesto
yes 3 callers...I checked V bets 20 (now im really worried)...fold, fold...
Me?
just cbet dont be affraid of the spades now you need to c/r pretty big to get him off his spaded draw
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09-20-2013 , 09:10 PM
Check? Check?
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09-20-2013 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
just cbet dont be affraid of the spades now you need to c/r pretty big to get him off his spaded draw
that's around a 20% pot bet. your pot commited. just shove.
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09-20-2013 , 09:46 PM
Easy game shove the flop. No sense In bein scared of a flush when u have top set u have the best hand he majority of the time and if u don't you will fill up by the river. Don't play scared poker.
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09-21-2013 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Easy game shove the flop. No sense In bein scared of a flush when u have top set u have the best hand he majority of the time and if u don't you will fill up by the river. Don't play scared poker.
yeah... here is my problem though... the 20 bet after my check is to me very suspicious, haven't seen him bet that small. he knows my range with my pfr 10+ ak poss aq and will gambol on flush cause he knows he'll stack me if we both flop... Knowing all this is the case a large % of the time isn't 'playing scared' doing the obvious and getting it all in there? which is obviously what i did and i guess the 'right' move.. his small bet gave me a huge clue but i feel like i was too 'scared' to act on it... i could be over thinking, but it's a game of fine margins right?
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09-21-2013 , 01:46 AM
Interesting spot on the flop OOP IMHO.

I was going to suggest bet $25, and hope to get raised, then shove. But I kind of also like checking when first to act (SB) more so to evaluate the situation who's got what rather then to fold here. I don't think I can ever fold here (but that's just me). So the rest of the decisions then just comes down to determining what my villains could have when it's their turn to act and how best to extract maximum. As played I like CRAI on flop (and then fill up OTR :-)). I think you played it well.

Last edited by StillLearnin; 09-21-2013 at 01:54 AM.
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09-21-2013 , 02:05 AM
Bet 70/call AI on flop

Pot is >100 we have 170 behind and we have top set. If someone has a flush then w.e. they paid 15% of effective stacks to draw to it pre flop, and we still have good equity.
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09-21-2013 , 06:34 AM
bet 60 otf bet 112 ott, call any shove, shove any non-s turn card, raise size pre seems a tiiny bit big but if you know that gets you callers then wp.
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09-21-2013 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
what I usually do in these situations is pretend I look at my cards to see if I have any spades, then without hesitation proceed to bet about 3/4 pot. You don't want to give him odds if he has a high spade.

Theres 4 players on the flop and the pot is about 115... why did you raise so much preflop? your cbet is going to commit the rest of your stack
No we have to adjust for a good turn sized shove to balance out protecting our hand vs extracting value from weaker hands.

If hero knows a 14x squeeze is gonna get called preflop and he has KK then we obviously want to commit as much as possible early ldo.
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09-21-2013 , 07:38 AM
Ok seriously what is your question?

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09-21-2013 , 08:20 AM
Yeah just check raise all in or shove flop really. I'd expect at least one to call with a single high spade if they are already that much invested in the pot but that's a good thing.
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09-22-2013 , 08:55 AM
pf: resultwise good result.. I would not have expected as many callers..

Flop: bet all in, as played CRAI. IMHO too shallow stacks to extract value & protect hand.
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