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Top set in 4 bet pot. Check or bet flop? Top set in 4 bet pot. Check or bet flop?

06-07-2017 , 03:33 AM
1/2 live.

V1 loose donk. $400 deep. UTG
V2 loose donk 200 UTG1
V3 unknown 20's male. 300 button.
V4. Loose passive. 200
Hero. 400. UTG2 Super card dead. Only hands I've shown down was an all in bluff vs a triple barrel after I missed spades with A9 (bluff got through but I showed) and a hand where I stacked someone for $100 with aces.


V1 limp, v2 limp, hero opens to 10 with QdQh. V3, on the button, 3 bets to 20, V4 calls v1 calls, v2 calls. Hero???

Hero raises to 100. V3 calls and the rest fold.

Pot: 260
Flop Qc 9s 4s.

Hero??? I chose to bet 100 which I think was a mistake. I'm getting it in with AA, KK either way, I don't see him checking back the flop. If he has TT, JJ, or AK I should give him a chance to bluff at it or catch up. The only downside to checking is I might get a call from AK on the flop but he might fold a spade or brick turn. Also, if I'm targeting AK specifically, should I opt for a smaller sizing? A smaller sizing might also help me get called by JJ. Alternatively I could just jam and try to rep AK myself and look like I'm buying it.
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06-07-2017 , 04:36 AM
There's not a lot of downside to checking. If you're up against someone good, check looks pretty suspicious and they might read you for strength, but I wouldn't worry about that against an unknown.

I wouldn't 4bet pre against an unknown because threebets, even min threebets, are so frequently the nuts in LLSNL.
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06-07-2017 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
There's not a lot of downside to checking. If you're up against someone good, check looks pretty suspicious and they might read you for strength, but I wouldn't worry about that against an unknown.

I wouldn't 4bet pre against an unknown because threebets, even min threebets, are so frequently the nuts in LLSNL.
I think preflop it's close and I would normally strongly consider flatting here but with 3 callers I felt it was going to be difficult to realize my equity and I could create a good amount of dead money. I was going to hate my life if the min 3 bettor jammed but I felt like it was worth the risk to get the 3 folds or value from 3 people with bad hands.

we are in agreement about the flop.
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06-07-2017 , 05:24 AM
Seems fine.

I like 4!ing to $75/f.
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06-07-2017 , 05:35 AM
Not loving the 4b but given the action not hating it either
I dont really like your preflop raise after 2 limps as is pretty small. I like anything from 12-16 depending on the likelihood of the utg players to be calling , as 10 only really looks like a sweetner (yes you have been card dead and people ahould repect your raise a little more but this is 1/2 so i doubt they are really payibg attention too you)
As for the 4b against an unknown not really like it as others have mentioned 3bets are usually AA/KK with the odd AK thrown in there.

Your read on V3 is unknown which make 4b just not that great if he shoves all in were you going to fold or call it off?
by calling his 3b the pot isnt going to be bloated. Yeah you are oop and MW but you still have a decent hand and decent equity so just call and play some post flop poker.

As played V3 has put in 1/3 his stack in pre flop, pot is 260 and the guy only got 200 left so pretty easy shove, if he got AA/KK he is going to call this pretty much always.
If he got AK/JJ i highly doubt he is going to pay you off

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06-07-2017 , 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by winadil
Not loving the 4b but given the action not hating it either
I dont really like your preflop raise after 2 limps as is pretty small. I like anything from 12-16 depending on the likelihood of the utg players to be calling , as 10 only really looks like a sweetner (yes you have been card dead and people ahould repect your raise a little more but this is 1/2 so i doubt they are really payibg attention too you)
As for the 4b against an unknown not really like it as others have mentioned 3bets are usually AA/KK with the odd AK thrown in there.

Your read on V3 is unknown which make 4b just not that great if he shoves all in were you going to fold or call it off?
by calling his 3b the pot isnt going to be bloated. Yeah you are oop and MW but you still have a decent hand and decent equity so just call and play some post flop poker.

As played V3 has put in 1/3 his stack in pre flop, pot is 260 and the guy only got 200 left so pretty easy shove, if he got AA/KK he is going to call this pretty much always.
If he got AK/JJ i highly doubt he is going to pay you off

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I agree about a lot of your points preflop. Postflop though if he has AA or KK he's going to bet flop if I check so that's kind of irrelevant. The only way I could lose value is if he makes an unusual check with kings and an ace comes on the turn or another spade and he doesn't have the K of spades. I think we have to be more concerned with getting value from AK And JJ which we can afford to give a free card since they have 5% equity.
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