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Top Pear + OESD gets raised on turn 300bb deep Top Pear + OESD gets raised on turn 300bb deep

07-12-2014 , 12:57 AM
Playing in a pretty much uncapped 1/2 game that usually plays pretty deep (anywhere from 200-500+ BBs)

600 effective

Hero is a youngest kid at table, the general demeanor at the table is people know I'm a winning player but my image is not the best right now (ran my bluffs into the tip top of a fish's range a orbit ago, showed down K-high so I was expecting to get looked up lighter until my image changed again.)

Villain in this hand is relatively new 3rd orbit at the table and I have never seen him play before. Probably around 30-5/10-15 in the orbits been at the table and has shown down once before (AQss opened up from MP- c bet decent board/caught ace on turn and raked in a 50ish BB pot) seems to know what he's doing, typical reg knowledge from what I was getting.

V2 - loose passive.

Hero is UTG +2
V Is MP

Hero opens KQdd to 20 in UTG +2
V calls in MP
V2 calls in LP
V3 calls in BB

80 in pot.

Flop

Kh Jd 10s

Check
Hero bets 60
V calls
Fold
Fold

200 in pot

Turn

Kh Jd 10s 5c

Hero bets 95
V tanks cuts out 95 looks at the board for a long time and then makes is 220.

Hero?

Hero has V covered and V left around 300 left after his raise.

Was not liking this spot especially after showing down K high an orbit ago and not sure if V is paying enough attention about my opening position and betting into the field on the flop.
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07-12-2014 , 01:44 AM
Pre flop if you're getting 3+ callers often, I'd just limp in. You can also raise to $30 pre instead if that narrows the field a lot. On flop, I'd bet a little smaller, you don't want to build a huge pot but $60 is fine. Your hand and draw really isn't that strong. As played on turn I'd fold to the raise. Most people adjust to aggression by calling a lot more, not by bluff raisin you. You are getting great odds to call, but you have huge RIO as a king or queen on river may still give you a second best hand. So really you're callin hoping to hit an 8 outer straight draw. The problem is your draw is obvious so hard to get paid on riger and a lot of time you are drawing to a chop against AQ, Q9
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07-12-2014 , 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Pre flop if you're getting 3+ callers often, I'd just limp in. You can also raise to $30 pre instead if that narrows the field a lot. On flop, I'd bet a little smaller, you don't want to build a huge pot but $60 is fine. Your hand and draw really isn't that strong. As played on turn I'd fold to the raise. Most people adjust to aggression by calling a lot more, not by bluff raisin you. You are getting great odds to call, but you have huge RIO as a king or queen on river may still give you a second best hand. So really you're callin hoping to hit an 8 outer straight draw. The problem is your draw is obvious so hard to get paid on riger and a lot of time you are drawing to a chop against AQ, Q9
Right preflop surprised me a bit, but am I overestimating the combos of 1 pair + OE (Q10,JQ) or is V only raising here with 2 pair+?
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07-12-2014 , 12:02 PM
What hand would V raise on the turn but not on the flop that we beat? (i.e. if he calls flop with QJ, would he raise with it now?)

IMO we don't beat much and could be drawing to a chop, I give it up.
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07-12-2014 , 12:03 PM
Why did you raise so much pre this deep? Raising to $30 is even worse. If you were in position I don't mind the big raise pre, but you're OOP and going to wind up in crappy spots like this one. Turn is a fold, V probably flopped it and obviously wants you to call the turn raise. What hands do you think are raising the turn here? IME, it's always a straight when this deep .
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07-12-2014 , 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wj94
Why did you raise so much pre this deep? Raising to $30 is even worse. If you were in position I don't mind the big raise pre, but you're OOP and going to wind up in crappy spots like this one. Turn is a fold, V probably flopped it and obviously wants you to call the turn raise. What hands do you think are raising the turn here? IME, it's always a straight when this deep .
Trying to ISO the BB who was a a big spot at table, V1 had been so quite I was surprised with the action so I let it go quickly but was getting some flak from some of my buddies I chat with about poker hands and just needed some second opinions.

I'm just not sure if I keep outleveling myself in trivial spots like these.
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07-12-2014 , 12:42 PM
Pretend someone else posted this hand...

Hero is UTG +2
V Is MP

Hero opens KQdd to 20 in UTG +2
V calls in MP
V2 calls in LP
V3 calls in BB

80 in pot.

Flop

Kh Jd 10s

Check
Hero bets 60
V calls
Fold
Fold

200 in pot

Turn

Kh Jd 10s 5c

What do you advise hero to do now?
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07-12-2014 , 01:23 PM
In spots like this I ask myself "what can I beat?"...
K9, QJ, QT, and air....and that's pretty much it...unless you think he's raising with AJ or something like that.

V was the first caller in MP. Do you think he called $20 with any of those hands in that position?
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07-12-2014 , 01:30 PM
I think v's range here is pretty much. JJ TT AK AQ maybe KJ or KT, but doubtful... I doubt he raises with KQ, even raising with AK here is pretty bad

I would guess you are going to see JJ TT AQ a lot here
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07-12-2014 , 02:21 PM
Turn is too thin except against the largest fish. This is true before we consider that we may get raised and lose our equity.

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