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Top pair, would you call on the river? Top pair, would you call on the river?

09-13-2014 , 03:25 PM
The Bike casino in LA. Game was 1/2. Hero with about 90$ behind and have a tight image. Villain is UTG+4 Or seat 6 has been playing crazy aggresive and loose that bluffs and shows every hand. he would play almost every hand imaginable.

Everyone limped and hero looks at KsJd on BB decided to raise to 10$ more to steal the pot.

Villain calls with about 130$ behind and guy next to him called everyone else folded.


Flop Js7h2d rainbow. Pot at about 46

Hero bets 17$ with top pair. Villain calls. Guy next to villain folded.

Turn was 3d. 80$ pot

Hero bets 20$, villain snapped called.

River was 6h. 120$ pot

Hero checks and villain instantly shoves. Hero?


In my head he can have Jx, two pair or even set but he normally raises when he thinks he has the nuts. But when the river came , I was thinking he might hit his straight so I checked. But I was also thinking he wouldnt called my bet on the flop with air because that's just dumb.... no way he has the 4 5....

Last edited by jordan714; 09-13-2014 at 03:42 PM.
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09-13-2014 , 03:35 PM
Your river card is wrong. you got 7h twice.
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09-13-2014 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by crow27
Your river card is wrong. you got 7h twice.
Mean to put 6h my bad. Just frustrated when I am typing this LOL. Edited and thanks for pointing that out.
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09-13-2014 , 03:38 PM
Two 7h??

If you had bet stronger on flop and turn you wouldn't have a decision. With what's left though I think its a call regardless
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09-13-2014 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Willikizz
Two 7h??

If you had bet stronger on flop and turn you wouldn't have a decision. With what's left though I think its a call regardless

Fixed it. it is the 6h.
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09-13-2014 , 03:43 PM
Misdeal?? Two 7h? Umm. Assuming the river was the 6h

This is the very definition of pot committed. You got into this hand with a marginal holding, and raised 1/9th of your stack. By the river, half of your stack has been played.

With that stack, assuming I caused this disaster, after V calls flop I'm shoving any turn card on this board. Yeah, 45s is out there, but it's playable. AJ is also out there, lots of 1/2 players limp with AJo because it sucks.

As played, call. In reality fold pre. KJo OOP is a horrible hand. If this wasn't the exact board you were hoping for, besides flopping broadway, then you outplayed yourself here.
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09-13-2014 , 03:44 PM
Check pre.

If you dont check raise a lot more, like $17 - $20.

Bet more on thr flop.

Bet more on the turn.

With your stack size you should never see the river and not be all in after making two bets.
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09-13-2014 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BaconMaker
Misdeal?? Two 7h? Umm. Assuming the river was the 6h

This is the very definition of pot committed. You got into this hand with a marginal holding, and raised 1/9th of your stack. By the river, half of your stack has been played.

With that stack, assuming I caused this disaster, after V calls flop I'm shoving any turn card on this board. Yeah, 45s is out there, but it's playable. AJ is also out there, lots of 1/2 players limp with AJo because it sucks.

As played, call. In reality fold pre. KJo OOP is a horrible hand. If this wasn't the exact board you were hoping for, besides flopping broadway, then you outplayed yourself here.
It was 6h. I should have checked when I was on BB because I do agree that KJo is pretty much garbage but I wanted to steal the limpers chips. I guess I played that horribly. Also I did call and turns out he had the 4c5c so he got runner runner straight. :/
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09-13-2014 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Check pre.

If you dont check raise a lot more, like $17 - $20.

Bet more on thr flop.

Bet more on the turn.

With your stack size you should never see the river and not be all in after making two bets.
I agree, my friend told me top pair is usually 1 street value and should not see the turn or the river.
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09-13-2014 , 04:26 PM
Yeah given your stack size your flop and turn bets are too small. You didn't really "plan" this hand out very well. The raise pre commits >10% of your stack with a mediocre holding out of position. What was the point of this? If you're trying to "steal" as you say, 5x the big blind is not usually going to do it. After the flop your SPR is 2, so you are committed w/ top pair, so I would try to get it all soon, perhaps w/ CRAI if you think V will bet or 2 strong bets on the flop and turn.
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09-13-2014 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Yeah given your stack size your flop and turn bets are too small. You didn't really "plan" this hand out very well. The raise pre commits >10% of your stack with a mediocre holding out of position. What was the point of this? If you're trying to "steal" as you say, 5x the big blind is not usually going to do it. After the flop your SPR is 2, so you are committed w/ top pair, so I would try to get it all soon, perhaps w/ CRAI if you think V will bet or 2 strong bets on the flop and turn.

Yeah. I know I played it horribly but I am learning as I go. I will try not to repeat the same mistake when I am in a similar position like this. Thanks for the critique.
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09-13-2014 , 04:45 PM
At 1/2 don't try to steal OOP at a loose table. Even with a value hand, your bet needs to be bigger. This depends on table, but at 1/2 with multiple limpers, I'm going at least $15.

Once you do raise preflop and get two callers your committed with top pair. Bet $30 on flop and shove turn. Deeper bet flop and check/evaluate turn is better. However with an SPR of 2 on the flop you can't give up top pair 2nd kicker vs a loose/bluffy villain. Just put your money in and hope he has worse.

As played, your weak betting makes bluffs possible, so call. It won't be real profitable but your getting way too good of odds to fold top pair.
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09-13-2014 , 04:55 PM
Your hand sucks to raise out of the BB with. Especially for some stupid low amount like $10. River is a must call. You have like $40 left.
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09-13-2014 , 05:03 PM
Raise much bigger pre. If the world limps to you they aren't going to fold to a 5x raise, you're giving anyone who wants to come along better than 2:1. I would make it 28 and jam all flops if called.
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09-13-2014 , 06:31 PM
Nt Jordan.

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09-13-2014 , 06:37 PM
$35 on flop.

Shove turn.

Gotta go bigger preflop after all the limpers.

I think with a $90 stack, we have to stack off here.
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09-13-2014 , 06:39 PM
Check BB with KJo since it is not a great hand to play OOP.

As played, bet at least $20 preflop if looking to "steal" although I think this never works in low limit games like this.

We hit our jack on the flop so bet pot-size and jam any turn card.

Nt Jordan.
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09-13-2014 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kelvonski
Check BB with KJo since it is not a great hand to play OOP.

As played, bet at least $20 preflop if looking to "steal" although I think this never works in low limit games like this.

We hit our jack on the flop so bet pot-size and jam any turn card.

Nt Jordan.
Im gonna kick your ass. Jk.
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