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11-14-2014 , 12:05 AM
hey fam, I was playing live today and had a hand that I wanted some feedback on. So this is how it goes

EFF stacks 59

Me $65: imagine is tight-aggressive but taking cheap flops with connectors and small pairs so might seem loose to players on here. With only a $60 buy-in not trying to splash pre-flop unless its premium hands

V1 Older guy $59: A reg who likes to joke around and flirt with the female dealers at the table. I would say he is a loose-weak player

V2 Male looks to be in mid 20's $65: Very fishy, likes to splash pots with mediocre holdings like middle pair.


Everyone folds to the V2 in middle position who limps in. I have AJo two off the button so I make it $10 to go. Everyone folds to V1 in the SB who calls the $10. V2 calls and we see the flop

A w/ two hearts Pot($30)

Both Villians check to me and I bet $25. V1 Calls and V2 tanks then shove all-in


What would you have done or what should I have done?
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11-14-2014 , 12:10 AM
Optimal play : never play there ever again after snap calling V2.
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11-14-2014 , 02:08 AM
SPR <2:1 and more than half your stack is in after your flop lead bet.

Call.

You can't play this short stacked and fold to aggression with TPGK and pot committed.
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11-14-2014 , 10:54 AM
Is this 1/1 or 1/2 w/ $60 buy-in? (I hope it's .25/.50).

As played (and there is no other way to play it), always calling without even thinking about it.
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11-14-2014 , 11:10 AM
This is a snap call 100% of the time.
But having said that, what is the rest of the board?

Is it A75? AKQ? AJ6? A98? These things make a bit of a difference.
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11-14-2014 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by kekeeke
Optimal play : never play there ever again after snap calling V2.
This. 1/2 in SoCal, I presume. That game is unbeatable long term, due to the rake and how short everyone is keeping you from winning enough to overcome it and/or realize your post flop edge.

If you do play, you are never ever deep enough to take cheap flops with connectors.
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11-14-2014 , 12:10 PM
This game sounds awful. But snap call.
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11-14-2014 , 12:20 PM
Cant really offer much else ...

You raised a decent hand ...
You hit your hand ...
You properly c-bet large in postion with 'draws' out there (and table dynamic) ...
Your c-bet committed your stack and you were shoved on (by a thinker) ...
Your call is less than 15 bb .. yes, you call.

Even if you increase the stacks you are set up to call.

This table plays like a tournament final table where everyone is under 60bb. Not real condusive to long run success .. no rake in a tournament either!! You really need to range your opponents and be ready to shove on the Flop most hands you enter I would think. I agree you need to stay away from easily dominated holdings PF .. hope it's a full table!! GL
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11-14-2014 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
This is a snap call 100% of the time.
But having said that, what is the rest of the board?

Is it A75? AKQ? AJ6? A98? These things make a bit of a difference.
I believe it was middle cards like 75 but to tell what I did and the end results

So action is on me so of course I shove then V1 calls.

Final Board A75Q3

V1 have Q9s
V2 have K7


The game is 2,2 blinds with only 200 max buyin. Me I think it is the worst set up on earth for no limit hold-em because it makes the game a 50 big blind game. The Positive is Top pair Top Kicker plays good even good kicker. But no deep poker can be played, alot of the players there do not understand concepts like that let alone know how to play
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11-14-2014 , 03:43 PM
Wait, you could have bought in for $200 but bought in for $60 in a 2/2 game? I'm so confused.
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11-14-2014 , 06:11 PM
Reading the title, "Sea World", I was hoping for a deep stack strat thread with a table full of whales...

ohwell...

I open-shove OTF. Come at me bro!
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11-14-2014 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by atandrews
The game is 2,2 blinds with only 200 max buyin. Me I think it is the worst set up on earth for no limit hold-em because it makes the game a 50 big blind game.
Wait, what? 200 is 100BBs and why the **** don't you have at least that much? I assumed it was that weird LA 1/2 with a $60 max.
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11-14-2014 , 08:38 PM
2/2 200 max isn't bad compared to other CA games. 2/3 100 max bi @ the Commerce, just laughable... then 1/2 100 max at most Indian casinos, as well.
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11-14-2014 , 09:12 PM
200 max isn't bad it's buying in for $60 that is!
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11-15-2014 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by atandrews
I believe it was middle cards like 75 but to tell what I did and the end results

So action is on me so of course I shove then V1 calls.

Final Board A75Q3

V1 have Q9s
V2 have K7


The game is 2,2 blinds with only 200 max buyin. Me I think it is the worst set up on earth for no limit hold-em because it makes the game a 50 big blind game. The Positive is Top pair Top Kicker plays good even good kicker. But no deep poker can be played, alot of the players there do not understand concepts like that let alone know how to play
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
200 max isn't bad it's buying in for $60 that is!

Yea, I would buyin for more if I had more to buyin for. There is nothing wrong with playing short stack if you don't have the funds. Its still just as easy to run up money to 200+. Also if I had more money the hand would have still played out the same
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11-15-2014 , 10:07 AM
That game is going to be much less profitable than a 200 max. If you can, play in a deeper game.
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11-15-2014 , 12:06 PM
If you don't have a BR, then go ahead and play short stack strat. Short stack strat does not include seeing cheap flops with speculative hands. You must drop that from your game until you have deep effective stacks, or you will continue to not have the funds to buy in full.

Also, be aware that the short stack game is very high variance, so you'll prob go busto a couple of times before you get a good run that allows you to have a normal-ish BR to play a normal strat.
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11-15-2014 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Wait, what? 200 is 100BBs and why the **** don't you have at least that much? I assumed it was that weird LA 1/2 with a $60 max.
Me too. Whoops
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11-15-2014 , 02:10 PM
Unrelated to your question, but you seem to be abusing the phrase "splash the pot". Splashing the pot is not merely betting/raising and has nothing to with how much you bet/raise or when. Splashing the pot is to bet or raise by throwing your chips directly into the pot, rather than pushing them into the betting area in a manner that allows others to see how much you've bet distinguished from other chips that are out there. Splashing the pot is something that should not be done.
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11-15-2014 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
If you don't have a BR, then go ahead and play short stack strat. Short stack strat does not include seeing cheap flops with speculative hands. You must drop that from your game until you have deep effective stacks, or you will continue to not have the funds to buy in full.

Also, be aware that the short stack game is very high variance, so you'll prob go busto a couple of times before you get a good run that allows you to have a normal-ish BR to play a normal strat.
I know, u are correct. Its hard to not play for $2 in position though with a suit connector or middle to small pair. Thanks for your help will make a better effort to that or is ok to do it once in a while at a table that limps alot?
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11-15-2014 , 03:46 PM
It's OK to do often if you are 100BBs+ deep (effective stacks). It is OK to do never at 30BBs deep. It's sometimes OK at 70BBs, but rarely.
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