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Top pair and no kicker from the BB, nitty to check flop? Top pair and no kicker from the BB, nitty to check flop?

10-20-2018 , 11:42 AM
A situation that often happens, this is just an example.

Hero is in the big blind, hero picks up 10-2 offsuit in the BB. There were multiple limpers, say 4-5 limpers at the table.

Flop comes 10-9-8 with 2 cards of the same suit,

Hero has top pair and no kicker on a dangerous board.

Would it be nitty to check - call the hand down or check fold?
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10-20-2018 , 11:43 AM
Clear x/c. Not getting three streets.

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10-20-2018 , 12:09 PM
Check/evaluate. Depending on action and villains either call or fold. And fold is often correct to a flop bet. When you are ahead villain often has something like J9 and you are barely ahead, but you are generally crushed when behind. You need a villain making a spazz bluff with garbage in a limped pot.
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10-20-2018 , 05:54 PM
Probably best to xf in this particular spot.
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10-20-2018 , 06:04 PM
I xf not even close
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10-20-2018 , 08:02 PM
Very clear check, mostly fold, but obviously that also depends on who's betting from which position and how much. But yeah, mostly c/f on this flop.
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10-22-2018 , 11:44 AM
In multiway pots OOP on this type of board I would just check/fold. Once in a blue moon we'll fold the "best" hand on the flop (although it could often be behind equity wise) but it's a small mistake at worse (as pot is small and raked horribley) and otherwise things just aren't going to get any easier on later streets (where we will often start making bigger and bigger mistakes).

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10-22-2018 , 11:50 AM
Very easy c/f.
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10-22-2018 , 11:52 AM
It's not nitty, it's standard. Top pair no kicker is not a very strong hand in a highly multi-way pot, and it's pretty trashy on a very dynamic board when you don't have a draw. I'm checking and folding to most bets.
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10-22-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
I xf not even close
Yup. Fold to any pressure on the flop.
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10-22-2018 , 09:55 PM
Ok that’s a pretty dangerous flop.. what if you have 10-3 off suit and the flop is say: 10-5-2 rainbow?
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10-23-2018 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
Ok that’s a pretty dangerous flop.. what if you have 10-3 off suit and the flop is say: 10-5-2 rainbow?
Nothing changes for me. Your 5 ways to the flop. V’s have tons of 10 in their range. Play poker, use your head. You hit 1 pair from the bb. That doesn’t mean you’re entitled too the pot. If you call a bet, what is your plan for the turn? What are good turns for you vs. V? Do you know if you’re ahead, drawing to a 3 outer? Are you calling 1 street, 2 or 3?
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10-23-2018 , 12:52 PM
Well, a lot changes for me. I'm definitely not gonna c/f a T on that flop. I might even be leading (depending on who I'm up against, I guess) to protect my top pair against overcards and get value from basically any pair below mine. Obviously tread carefully if you get called.

Checking also seems fine (possibly even better), we are not planning on playing a big pot anyway. If it's checked around, and then someone bets the overcard on the turn, I don't mind folding. I'm just not willing to go to war with this hand in the SB without crushing the flop. But that still doesn't mean I want to check/fold the flop.

I do know I'm not check/calling three streets unimproved. Whether I'm check/calling two streets depends on the villain, his position, his sizings, the run-out...
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10-23-2018 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
Ok that’s a pretty dangerous flop.. what if you have 10-3 off suit and the flop is say: 10-5-2 rainbow?
c/f to any serious bet.
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