Game: Live 1/2
Hand: 87o
Position: CO (7-handed), 3rd last hand of the night at 4:15 A.M.
Stack: 600$
Vilain: V covers in SB, very good 2/5 player (aggressive)

Preflop Action: 3 limps, I limp, BTN puts 13$, 6 on the flop. (75$)
Flop: 448r
Action: V bets 35$, I call, rest folds.
Turn: 3c (2nd club)
Action: He checks, I?


What's the best move I could do here?

Fold preflop, fold flop

AP check turn

I would never fold this preflop in this situation lol, it's the last 3 hands at a weak table, pretty much everyone at the table would call the first bet, and I have 78o in the CO which is really not so bad, plus I close the action and there is 64$ in the pot only 11$ to call. I think everyone would call that at pretty much any table!

OTF we can discuss it! and i'm not sure about checking turn, explain?

A good player is leading into 5 players here and you have 4 more players to act behind you (including the preflop raiser). what exactly do you beat? Just try to get to showdown as cheap as possible if you haven't folded the flop.

Preflop is OK. Limping when it will go multiway is OK and calling the raise when your last to act and know your getting great odds is OK. On flop villain is betting into a crowd when he can't have a draw. He mostly likely has 4X, an 8X or an over pair. You beat only the bad end of the 8X hands. You might bluff villain off the worst part of his 8X hands but it's just as likely your betting into a 4X hand that checked turn hoping you would spew off some money. Check and evaluate river.

Preflop isn't too bad we are pretty deep stacked anyways. Villain leading into the field with that board shows some strength because the fields range is so wide.

Since your the only caller a 4 and 8 combos ie 45s, 78, 89 etc are in your range since you limped called to close the action. I would have folded on the flop 4 is in his range and an 8 as well. We have kicker probs too.

Anyways, AP (even though I rarely put myself in this position) if we check behind we indicate that we don't have a 4. I actually might bet here on the turn but with every intention of checking on the river and folding to any Xraise. I just can't see why he would check the turn if he is aggressive and is holding a 4, pp 99+ or an 8 with a high kicker, the turn still hasnt changed anything imo. If you had a 4 you would let him know about it either on the flop or turn.

personally, I think you should either raise or fold pre. Why just limp? Be the aggressor and take control of the hand and you your position.

AP, fold flop.

Do not pass go and go directly to SD - 87o isn't pulling much of its value from making top pair so anytime you can win a 7 way pot with it on the cheap then try to do so. Granted it's a vacuum statement, but on such a dry flop I don't see any other reason to grow the pot. The 2-5 aggro reg could be betting gutters on 448 into the field - he even may have turned some equity with his bluffs, but he could also have the hands listed above and check-eval just simplifies rivers.

The River card / sizing should help narrow him enough to make the right decision to boot. There's a decent chance he wants to just SD his hand as well which means you lose a bunch, but so be it.

Fold that crap pre or l/rr if feeling baller. L/c is not good.

AP, check turn and bluff catch river I suppose.

You really think a 4x is in his range? being the first to call the raise FROM THE SB.. I mean it's not likely at all, I put him on an 8. Even an overpair isn't likely at all since he limped from the SB alomost last to act and he's aggressive, he would have betted any hand 99+...

So since I put him on an 8, maybe A8, K8, Q8, J8, T8, probably not worst (realize that his turn check makes a lot of sense if my read is right) So I see a good opportunity to bluff him on that turn blank, representing a good 8 or a 4. What you think?

His range of 8X is bigger then 4X but both are in his range. He isn't trying to hit a single pair out of the SB. Button's raise is not big and he would know that if he calls this probably goes 4+ to the flop and he can fish for a good flop. His range is probably going to be suited connector heavy. 98s is only slightly better then 54s when your fishing for two pair+ or a good draw.

A8s and A4s may or may not be in his range. If he is a good player he is looking at average stack depths and only calling if most players are deep. How many pairs also depends on stack depths and how big a pair before he reraises.

His check on the turn doesn't show nearly as much weakness as you think either. Your limp/call preflop and flat on the flop doesn't show much strength. If he has 4X he has to figure your most likely hand is 8X and he is way ahead. He probably can't get 3 streets of value with 4X so it's a good situation for a bet/check/bet line to get two. If you have a better hand then he thinks you will probably bet the turn for him so checking isn't likely to cost him anything.

Pre is alright. I generally hate limp-call. I'm ok with it here if most players are 300BB deep and you end the action in the CO.

I'd strongly consider a fold on the flop. Villain bet into 5 players including the preflop raiser. Top pair **** kicker doesn't beat much of his range. After limp-call multiway with connectors, you generally want to flop some kind of draw or be done with the hand.

Turn is 100% check. Top pair weak kicker is no time to build a bigger pot and give your opponent the opportunity to check-raise you. End the action, get to the river, and hope for a checkdown.

Alright, maybe I played it bad, but I'm not that sure & and if I did, it was only slightly bad. I forget to say pretty much all stacks were really deep and V is really aggressive.

I actually bet that turn 70$ putting a big part of his range on a good 8, and I was pretty sure he was folding that against me. If he calls or raises I'm done with the hand, but pot was so big it was worth to try at least. He folded and showed Q8 as expected.

If he is playing like this in general you need to reassess your villain, he isn't a good player. Calling with Q8 out of the SB preflop is just terrible. His betting the flop and then check/folding turn is just bad.

Given your read on the situation your play may have been correct. But it's only correct against a fairly spewy player.

yup that's what it is, I have difficulty to assess my vilains aha

I think he is a really good player, but he's way too loose and aggressive that for sure and I should have mentioned it!