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12-13-2014 , 07:31 PM
Hey people, first time poster here

Game is 1-1, fairly loose passive

I got 180 behind, villain got me covered

Villain raises frequently but typically folds when faced with raises or trys to see cheap showdowns. Havent seen him doing any bluffs

3 limpers to me, I raised to 9 on cut off with QJo. 2 callers including villain from EP.

Flop (27) Qh7c8c

Checks to me, I raised to 15. One fold and villain re-raises to 40.

I rule out KQ, AQ, QQ from villain's range- he would have raised preflop. So it's either 77 or 88 or draws (or air)

I re-raise to 115. He thinks for about 30 secs, asks dealer how much more, cuts 75 from his stack and call

Turn (257) Jd

Obviously get my remaining almost 60 in. Two pair is clearly good but would have done it with blank too since I'm effectively in anyway and two pair is no different than one pair assuming we're against the range above

Thoughts?
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12-13-2014 , 08:11 PM
Why do you assume your 2P is good OTT? Any continuing range from your 3 bet on the flop has you crushed. It's pretty much limited to sets (6), 2 pair (3), straights (1, T9cc), nut flush draws (7), straight flush draws (1, 56cc). And that's being generous and not giving him all T9s...

I don't have poker stove, but I'm willing to bet that you are not in great position verse that range

Granted, you committed yourself with the 3bet, so continuing is probably correct regardless of his range
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12-13-2014 , 08:18 PM
Sorry, just to be clear- I didnt think I'm any better off OTT with two pair (other than full house draws). What I meant is, I either face sets or draws; and two pair and one pair are pretty much same against both sets and draws

My bad- I didnt mean two pair is any good, will edit original post
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12-13-2014 , 08:23 PM
I don't like the decision to turn your hand in to a bluff on the flop. It worked out here, but usually against more competent villains in multiway pots....I think this is just a bit much for the flop.
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12-13-2014 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Johanserv10
Sorry, just to be clear- I didnt think I'm any better off OTT with two pair (other than full house draws). What I meant is, I either face sets or draws; and two pair and one pair are pretty much same against both sets and draws

My bad- I didnt mean two pair is any good, will edit original post
Actually there is a difference. You are much better off with two pair vs. a flush draw that has over cards to your Q than with one pair IE if your opponent has an ace high or king high flush draw obviuosly spiking the J is much better. You could also be against a made hand like 8,7.

Pre-flop raise might be a little high with $1 blinds, not sure. Not betting on the flop seems too weak. So I guess it is decision time with the check raise (you said you raised after you were checked to so I assume you bet). Just seems like you may have played this too strong but could be convinced otherwise.
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12-14-2014 , 12:28 AM
We "haven't seen Villain doing any bluffs."

Then he does this:

One fold and villain re-raises to 40.

We are beat on the flop IMO.

Maybe we lucked out with the J and maybe we didn't, that's results-oriented thinking.

Committing our stack with top pair OK kicker is our error here I think.
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12-14-2014 , 01:11 AM
You need to ask yourself why you are betting. If it is for value you need worse hands to call. However, as mentioned above, 3-betting this flop is turning your TPGK into a bluff and I am probably never 3-betting this flop as a bluff in 1/2 here unless I am leveling against a good thinking player. Still, I probably would not do it and put in big money against worse opponents and stick to value betting
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12-14-2014 , 10:02 PM
So what should be the optimal play?

Fold to re-raise OTF?
I guess not betting this flop is not an option (you give free cards to all draws)
Calling is weak I think as I don't have a strategy for the turn?
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12-14-2014 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Johanserv10
So what should be the optimal play?

Fold to re-raise OTF?
Yea. He never has a draw. He is scared of the draw. His range is very nutted 78o+ imo.

OMC villain would just call with a draw, especially multiway.
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