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Top pair and flush draw facing majority of stack raise Top pair and flush draw facing majority of stack raise

01-04-2017 , 11:46 PM
Playing $1/$2 NL with rock (not in play this hand though). Hero ( 70BB) has QJd in HJ to 4 players ahead limping, hero limps gets to villian, LAG with 200+ BB almost ready to leave, in BB, he leads out for $21, common preflop raise for him. Raise is called by EP, Hero and Button.

Flop comes QT6 two diamonds. Villian raises pot sized bet of ~$90.

What should hero do? Hero has ~$130

First post on forum sorry if format or terms are slightly off. Just got back into poker about 3 weeks ago since "Black Friday". Been on a winning streak til tonight. Thanks for any insight on how to play in advance




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01-05-2017 , 12:01 AM
I would just jam, even against an over pair it's pretty much a race.

Stack is awkward to flat. As for preflop I would open rather than limp, playing these hands passively preflop calling a bet doesn't take the aggressive stance and you never know where you stand in the hand. Worst case scenario he flopped a set and most of the time he has more overpairs like KKd or AAd which you aren't doing horrible against with 2 cards to come. With his cbetting size you probably have no fold equity but to flat with your stack or fold on that flop seems nitty. It all seems pretty marginal to me but shoving to see 2 cards is what I would do, but I'm no pro
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01-05-2017 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by I_Cant_Win
I would just jam, even against an over pair it's pretty much a race.

Stack is awkward to flat. As for preflop I would open rather than limp, playing these hands passively preflop calling a bet doesn't take the aggressive stance and you never know where you stand in the hand. Worst case scenario he flopped a set and most of the time he has more overpairs like KKd or AAd which you aren't doing horrible against with 2 cards to come. With his cbetting size you probably have no fold equity but to flat with your stack or fold on that flop seems nitty. It all seems pretty marginal to me but shoving to see 2 cards is what I would do, but I'm no pro
Thanks for opinion. That was my play, no help on turn or river. You were right he had AA no diamond though.

The game plays with lots of flatters to most pre flop ranges. Its a NYC card room which is $1/$2 with $5 rock (UTG and BTN) but stack sizes were as high as 1k at time.

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01-05-2017 , 01:30 AM
Welcome back to poker. Sadly, the variance of the game hasn't changed at all since you left.

Folding here would be bad because of all the dead money already in the pot. So you played it correctly.

As an aside, if you're just getting back to poker and looking to play a calm 1/2 game, consider exploring other games. I also play in NYC and know the game you're referring to (30th street). It's a soft, beatable game but as you note it can play quite deep and aggressive, it's similar to most 2/5 in Vegas. Just something to keep in mind because playing with a $140 stack there when most have $700+ can put you a disadvantage.
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01-05-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Keaton
Welcome back to poker. Sadly, the variance of the game hasn't changed at all since you left.

Folding here would be bad because of all the dead money already in the pot. So you played it correctly.

As an aside, if you're just getting back to poker and looking to play a calm 1/2 game, consider exploring other games. I also play in NYC and know the game you're referring to (30th street). It's a soft, beatable game but as you note it can play quite deep and aggressive, it's similar to most 2/5 in Vegas. Just something to keep in mind because playing with a $140 stack there when most have $700+ can put you a disadvantage.
I agree that the game does play much bigger than a nitty 1/2 game. This was my 4th session there and have been running extremely well. I bought in for ~200, had lost a few small pots prior. I was trying to open my range up a little bit but as you know some times even the 2nd table plays very deep stack with very LAG players and had used that to their disadvantage in my previous sessions.
I like the game and have a decent small stack strategy but the RAKE is ridiculous. I am open to playing in another game, especially if its softer to help pad a bankroll I am trying to build.

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01-05-2017 , 12:07 PM
Snap it in. You're just always ahead in this spot except against the 1 combo of QQ and the 3 combos of TT

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01-05-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by neil.sullivan
I agree that the game does play much bigger than a nitty 1/2 game. This was my 4th session there and have been running extremely well. I bought in for ~200, had lost a few small pots prior. I was trying to open my range up a little bit but as you know some times even the 2nd table plays very deep stack with very LAG players and had used that to their disadvantage in my previous sessions.
I like the game and have a decent small stack strategy but the RAKE is ridiculous. I am open to playing in another game, especially if its softer to help pad a bankroll I am trying to build.

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It's a good game. Been playing there for years and it's been quite profitable.

Just have to be ready to play for stacks in these situations, if you call a pre flop raise for $21 and hit top pair + flush draw with a shallow stack, it's an insta-jam.

The rake is ridiculous, but that's how it is in NYC games. The rake there isn't any more or less than anywhere else in the city. Unfortunately, it's something we need to accept as NYC players, along with the slightly sketchy overall feel of underground games, etc.

If you have a comfortable short stack strategy going you should do very well there.
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