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08-19-2019 , 10:55 PM

suave-wizard

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 174

5/5 Ef.S 350

Hero dealt AA UTG+1 OR 20, gets 4 calls :/

Flop (100) A53 rainbow

Hero C-bets 35, SB calls

Turn (170) A53 T
SB X; Hero bets 55; SB calls

River (280) A53 T T
SB X; Hero...?

Q. How can we extract max-value? Vilain has about 200 behind, is 20% a maniac, but is relatively afraid of playing vs me, having gotten the worst end a couple of times.

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08-19-2019 , 11:22 PM

AAJTo

adept

Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,062

I mean what is he calling with here?

He either has the last ace and is going to call any bet or hes gonna fold his 77 type hand. May as well put him all in and make it look like a bluff. I woulda made the turn 70 but thats a small nitpick.

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08-19-2019 , 11:28 PM

sixsevenoff

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

Bigger on the turn. What does 20% maniac mean? Pretty standard river shove though with a .71 spr.

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08-20-2019 , 05:59 AM

Homey D. Clown

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

Bet 80 on the turn and shove the river.

I check this flop against four opponents, with only one ace left. Let's assume no one has the case ace and give them a chance to hit something.

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08-20-2019 , 06:13 AM

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,855

You get max value by betting bigger on the flop and turn. Checking is an option on the flop, but I've found that Kx and Qx don't put much money in on an ace board on the turn and a pocket pair only has two outs to improve. Better for money purposes to bet the flop.

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08-20-2019 , 09:27 AM

Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,780

You need to bet bigger on flop and turn to make the river a no-brainer shove and a no-brainer call for him if he has almost anything. As played, bet $100 and pray he can't fold an A or shoves with a T.

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08-20-2019 , 10:23 AM

Homey D. Clown

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

If you decide to bet, flop sizing is good imo, we want them to call with underpairs. Turn half pot is enough to be lef with an easy shove sizewise. You don't want to just bomb this bone dry flop 5 way with top set.

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08-20-2019 , 10:44 AM

AAJTo

adept

Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 1,062

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

Aye. You can't always just play for stacks and getting 2 calls on this kind of board with this big of a hand is something to be happy with regardless of what happens on the river. When I 1/3 bet the flop I either double or triple it on the turn depending if a drawy BDF or BDSD type card comes out and also dependent on stack sizes.

The reason I recommend an over bet shove in this spot is because it looks like we are trying to claim a T when we arent likely to have one and we are just trying to blow V off his hand.

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08-20-2019 , 11:08 AM

Homey D. Clown

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,259

200 into 280 is not an overbet. The bet is only rather big compared to hero's previous bets.

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08-20-2019 , 11:15 AM

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Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,780

I rarely say this, but this is one of those flops/spots that if they are calling $35, they are calling $50. Heck, to me, $35 looks almost scarier than $50. It's like begging to be called.

Same with the turn. As played, it could easily be $75 and get the same call.

Betting so small flop/turn and then shoving the river for $200 into $280 is insanely strong, especially from an UTG open. Unless H has a LAG/maniac image, only a T is calling. An A might call $75 to $100, though.

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08-20-2019 , 12:57 PM

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suave-wizard

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 174

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

After I played hand I thought if I could repeat the 55 bet OTR to induce a bluff. If he had 65s or 75s he could try to buy the T...?

After he checked I bet 125 (I meant to grab 105), he thought a bit then folded. I figured he didn't have an A, there's no T that'd call flop bet.

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08-20-2019 , 01:08 PM

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suave-wizard

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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown

I check this flop against four opponents, with only one ace left. Let's assume no one has the case ace and give them a chance to hit something.

If I X/C or X/R flop won't I look too strong...? If X/C, do we lead turn?

I C-bet with my weaker holdings too (vs less players, depending on board). Also 1/3 pot I was hoping somebody could raise with two pairs or pair-straight draw. No flush possible.

Unfortunately I was OOP, it's always difficult to find calls when most players are sandwiched between. If flop had been A83 (no straights possible) I'd probably check.

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08-20-2019 , 01:12 PM

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suave-wizard

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 174

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

He thought momentaneously before calling flop, that's why small Turn. But I feel I could bet 75 or 80 Turn.

As played, after the hand I thought River I could repeat 55 bet to induce a bluff...? Or even 35. Instead I bet 125, he thought a bit then folded

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