1/2 effective stacks 250.

V is a middle aged guy who I have never seen before. He has been a bit loose preflop, but pretty quiet post.

H is a mid 30s dude. Ive only played a few hands this session. Nothing noteworthy.

V limps in ep. H completes sb with QJo. BB checks.

Flop ($6) Q84r. H bets $5. BB folds. V calls.

Turn. ($14) Q84J. 2 clubs on the board. Hero bets $10. V raises to $30. Whats the plan?

Id say call and evaluate river. Could see him having lots of worse two pairs in this spot.

Raise to $105 with the intention of shoving most rivers..could 3x it too but I go bigger on most of my sizings.

Flatting also isn't the worst since villain is unknown and hes been tighter post.

Range wise he has straights and sets , some pair + straight draws, flush draws ,2 pair..I tend to think he has more value hands with the little read we do have. Actually talking myself into a call the more I think about it. Usually folding to a jam here as well unless we know he is capable of shipping with clubs

I know we block it but if he does have 2 pair it's going to be the same hand in my opinion

You have to decide if you are raising for value or to define your hand. If it is to define your hand, a min raise will give you as much information as any other raise. If you are playing for value a re-raise to $90 min. is in order.

Based on the information you gave as he is unknown. Min raise is fine, if he flats you know he is beat. Operate accordingly on the river.

Reraising is WAAAAAAAY off the reservation here, I'd rather fold than do that.

"A bit loose preflop" doesn't mean we should expect to see him limping in EP with anything that makes a worse two pair on this board. 100% of his value raising range - meaning two pairs or better - either beats us or ties us. T9 and 44 are both extremely plausible. Or he could have some bluff, but random middle aged guys who limp pre, float flops and then bluff raise turns are fictional characters in my experience.

If he really does have just { 44,QJs,T9s,QJo } then we're 24%, so we don't have direct odds and will need to shell out more OTR. At the table I'm obviously just going to flat and x/c the river, but it wouldn't shock me if folding was correct. Most people would fold a one pair hand if raised here and the only practical difference is that we tie QJ instead of losing to it.

Given that you should never raise to define your hand, that's an easy one.

Or that he has a set and calls you down assuming you have the straight.

That was my thought. I figured some of the worse suited 2 pairs are in his range, and a chop isnt off the table. I am worried about the 16 combos of T9 in play.

Reraising seems like way overplaying my hand. I would be targeting a very narrow value and bluff range (if he even has a bluff range).

Call seems like the consensus play. Hero calls.

River ($90) Q84J8. Hero checks. V bets $45.

I mean youre probably losing but folding seems gross. Call and hope for the best.

Bluff checkraising would be pretty funny, unless he has 44 it probably looks scary to him, but vs an unknown no thanks.

I think on the turn I would be calling and seeing the river.
the river is a bad card for us and with the bet we have to be thinking what do we really beat.
the read on the guy is pretty vague as a bit loose preflop could mean a lot.
I would imagine folding here is probably the best option but in reality I would most likely crying call.
villian could have anything I am feeling 84s just for a laugh


Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk

Call turn.

From a combo standpoint, I'd fold river. There are 4 combos of QJ vs. 3 of 44 and all 16 of T9 in a loose pre-flop range.

It did feel gross. Usually when I'm folding a good hand it's because the super obvious flush/straight got there and villain is repping it.

I'm no sure if I would have folded if the 8 hadn't come. Even though I think the math would still tell me to fold, I'm not sure if I could've done it. But the 8 put Q8/J8 into the lead, so this one had to go.

It felt gross to fold, but also like the right play. He didn't show.