2/3 NL

600$ effective

Hero: 66
CO: solid reg grinder. usually plays 2-5

UTG+2 raises to 15, Hero call, CO calls, BTN calls

flop(65) 998r UTG + 2 checks, Hero bets 35-possibly trying to deny equity from air and take it down here. CO calls. rest fold.

at this point I think CO has a 9, possibly 88.

Turn(135) 6. Hero check. CO bets 65. hero call. at this point fearing some nutted hand I go into check call mode.

river(265) Qx. Hero check. CO bets 125. Hero tanks considering a raise then just calls.

What do you do on river taking my line against a solid player.

Didn't see spoiler.

I probably bet the turn and bet the river.

AP, I think I still click it back to like 300 to get a crying call from 9x, JT. These times far outweigh the 98, 88, imo.

Didn't read the spoiler

He calls your 1/2 pot flop bet and you put his range on trips or a boat?? Seems a bit tight.

I hate the river check/call and based on the above bolded comment above it looks like you talked yourself into being really MUBSY. Would much prefer we bet out something like 2/3 pot. Bet > check/raise > check/call.

FWIW, I also don't like the flop bet into two opponents with an underpair.

4 way? Just check that flop, someone has a piece often and you aren't taking it down or folding out clean draws

Once you lead the flop, jeez, you binked a miracle, it would be a sin for this turn to check through. You gotta just lead turn and river.

Now that I read the spoiler...yikes, if you'd just bet 3/4 of pot on turn and river, look at the extra value you'd have gotten versus his bet sizing.

Jt gettng there does change things.

It might be very nitty but i think he has 88 and 89 here kind of often. So you are right to factor that in. I don't think there a lot of scenarios where you are eager to play for stacks against a good player.

However i would still maintain the betting lead. On the turn you get action from jt and certainly 9t and a9. Also jj tt. Some of these hands can check if checked to.

On the river he might make a super nitty check with a 9. He will prob check jj tt. If he was getting fancy with kq he will often check. People love to put you on jt.

If you bet big and get shoved on it does kinda suck. But better than checking anyway.

Sometimes, i might try a small blocky bet hoping that hands like jj tt call. The odd q calls. A bad 9 calls (but we might loose some value) and maybe straights and a9 raise and maybe the guy decides to do some spewy bluff raise thing. Plus, if he does have a boat we probably loose less.

Didn't read the spoiler.

I don't understand how you can be so MUBsy ánd bet the flop at the same time. Check the flop. After he calls your bet, his range is obviously wider than a 9 or 88...

How do you not bet the turn?

As played raise the river.

In my opinion you butchered this hand. Only decision I can get behind is your call pre-flop to be honest.

0/3 postflop I think.

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Bet air OOP, check monsters OOP...this is not how to win at poker.

Yes I agree with all that you guys are pointing out. It was played pretty bad. I've been beating myself over this hand for a couple weeks now, I need to get over it, but considering my bankroll challenge this could have been a pretty big upswing. Still ended up +390bb for night but definetly missed value here.

I was so surprised by the 6 hitting the turn that i think I just instinctively checked in real time thinking It will keep in some of his bluffs in and save money against a bigger hand. Yea pretty Mubsy.

One of my biggest leaks is that I don't think through a hand long enough. My head calculates a lot of scenarios pretty fast and thus I make decisions too quickly. I did tank for a couple minutes contemplating raising to around 300.

Sigh.

Not going to lie I read the spoiler

I'm not betting into 3 other players on the flop. I'm check folding my pocket 6's.

You bet the flop and turned a miracle. Why did you slam on the brakes? I would have bet 85, and at least two thirds otr.

I read the spoiler.

I hate the way you played the hand, but the only value I think you missed is that you could have bet a little bigger on the turn and then a little bigger on the river. However, he might have folded on the river if he's any good or perceives you as competent and/or tight.

You honestly might have made less if you were the aggressor.

As the first caller with at least one solid player behind us, I fold preflop. Yeah, stacks are huge, but unless raiser is an idiot that actually might start playing into RIO than IO. Being that we're the first caller we have no idea how many others might come along (if any) to pad our immediate odds to make our IO easier to hit. We're also in terrible relative position (first to act after the raiser). We also don't know if we're going to get 3bet. We also likely end up OOP to some behind us. The more I play, the more I realize how difficult setmining really is and it really needs some specific spots to be profitable, and I'm not convinced this is one of them. If everyone at your table is super passive preflop and includes some monster payoff stations postflop, it's likely fine.

This flop action is one of the reasons I'm not convinced preflop is profitable. If we were in position after 2 callers, and everyone checked to us on this flop, our flop stab has a lot better chance at being profitable. But being OOP to two others that haven't acted yet, there's a lot less chance our flop bet is going to be profitable.

Turn action is another reason preflop might not be profitable. We just turned about as nuttish a hand we can make, and yet it seems like we're still not thrilled about playing for larger stacks (and against a good player, there is good reason to think that way), and on top of that we're OOP so we'll likely be letting him decide how much (if any) more money goes in.

Overall I would have probably been leading the turn/river myself, and then evaluating if raised.

Gfoldpreflop,imoG

+2. Sometimes this forum can be harsh, but I really think we messed up every street here.

AP, your hand is so under-repped here. Click back the river and fold to a re-raise.

Should bet turn, but now that you checked you should check-raise.

There are only a couple of 'nutted' hands here: 99,88 (unlikely), 98, 96 (which you block) versus a ton of other hands that V can bet (lots of 9X, 75, T7). Turn bet isn't strong at all for a nutted hand (<1/2 PSB). You also want to charge 9X instead of giving a free card to overfull you (pair kicker, three 8s, case 9).

Don't. It's just one hand out of many you'll play. Also, a competent player won't call too much of a river raise anyway (the river made his hand worst) so the missed value isn't huge.

Don't think this way. Anytime you start playing in a way to hit a target, you end up doing worst. Whether it's $/hour, getting even, or getting to an even number stack before cashing out, you're letting $ target influence play decisions instead of basing plays only on hand factors. Play the best you can and the $ will come.