Hi All,

1/2 NL. 3 to 4 hours into session. Hero has $800 or so after having an incredible run of cards. Image is that I am decently tight and know what I'm doing (almost all monsters I've shown down have been with strong pre-flop hands), but mostly probably just someone who can't miss that day.

Villain has $300/$350... my read is that he is extremely tight/weak. One of those people who raises huge with big hands because he hates getting "sucked out on".

In addition, there are some very fishy players at the table that hero would prefer to play against in general.

Villain is UTG + 3, someone makes standard raise in front (to $7 or so) and villain raises to $25. Folds to hero in SB with JJ. I fold. Is this ridiculous?

My rationale:
- I feel strongly that $25 from this guy is JJ+ and AK. MAYBE TT, MAYBE AQs.
- So if I call or raise, I'm going to be playing a very large pot out of position with JJ where I don't feel like it's likely that I even have the best starting hand.
- If an overcard comes, probably hard for me to continue. If JJ flops an overpair and he bets large, I'm going to have to decide if I want to play for stacks with JJ.
- Why bother with this when there's a guy at the other end of the table who calls everything and pays off every bet?

On the other hand, if my read is (exactly) right, then maybe he will let me know clearly enough on the flop if I'm beat and I can get away from the JJ against AA/KK/QQ, or AK that pairs, but he'll let me off the hook with AK on a low card board?

Thoughts?

Seems reasonable.

+1. This villain isn't 3-betting with 10's or AQ and probably not AK either. And he has position fairly deep stacked for a 1/2 table. Good, disciplined fold.

If you assume the most optimistic (widest) villain range of {TT+, AQs+, AKo} your showdown equity is about 44%. You have to call 24 into a pot of 35, requiring equity of 24/59 = 41%, assuming BB and the other bidder fold. Although equity-wise you are there if the hand were to be checked down, there is almost certain future betting and you will be playing out of position so a fold is not unreasonable especially with considering the other factors you mentioned and the optimistic range I used.

If we sit there for hours and this hand happens, we have gotto look out for what I call DCS... Dead Card Syndrome... pocket tens or jacks look bigger than they might otherwise be.

Good, disciplined fold indeed.

We are not required to own ourselves out of position, it is a choice. The Poker Gods gave us free will when we sat down, we sometimes have to remind ourself to use it.

Forgive the foregoing sermon, but I am preaching to myself, because I will shortly be in the valley of the shadow at the Church of the Uncapped Patrons of the Golden Nugget, and I need to remember this.

Very disciplined fold, one that I doubt most could make, including myself! Often we forget that we do not need to take the tough spots and can wait until an obviously profitable spot comes up. You had no money invested and you didn't like the spot at all, great fold.

wp
c4b QQ+AK, AQs for the blockers
fold the rest

Two options:
- Call. Call the cbet at the flop if no Ace, and fold if you face a turn bet.
- Fold. Maybe you are good maybe not. Coin flip situation, difficult case who cares just avoid that situation. Also you didn't put money in the pot why to get involved. Fold is a very strong move at Poker.

Re raise i would't suggest. Never re raise tight players.

Agree -

From the description of V, I suspect that he would not bet the flop except and unless he hit the ace or king (or queen). Weak/tight is not a descriptor one tends to apply to a person who would float the flop. As such, the action would either go check-check or check-bet. If it goes check-check, you unfortunately know that you may have lost some value but any non-ace/non-face turn allows you to fire away.

Conversely, if he fires the flop, then you can get away for the $25 and move on to the next hand.

Agree that I would not look to pop this pre-flop. The other variable is what the original raiser is reasonably expected to do if you call...if they are prone to four-betting, it absolutely makes sense to just cut bait and fold this one. If they are more apt to either fold or call, then you have to look at whether they would have raised originally with something like connected or one-gapper face cards.

So...all in all, I could make a case to just fold and move on or I could make a case to see the flop. After all, we are not talking about a huge sum here. If it were me, I would be inclined to spend the extra $24 to see the flop.