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Too aggressive with TPGK? Too aggressive with TPGK?

08-26-2014 , 06:32 AM
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Villain- ($250) Late thirties or early forties, played with him a few times but not sure if he remembers me. Last time he was on a huge heater with over 1.2k at a 1/2 table. Loose pre, likes to donk bet a lot, seems to show up with a lot of weird two pair type hands. Usually seems to have it if he's putting a lot of chips in the middle. Obnoxiously slaps the table after every hand he wins

Hero-($400) Late twenties, losing image, stuck a buy in. Getting coolered and rivered left and right. Tightened up considerably since then but no one's really noticed

Hand:

Villain limps in MP

hijack and cutoff limp
Hero is OTB with KT and raises to 15

everyone calls.
pot is 60
Flop:

10 4 2

Villain donks out for 15. hijack and cutoff fold. I assume I probably have the best hand and raise to 45. Villain thinks for a moment and calls.

Pot is 150
Turn

3

Villain checks. I bet 70. Villain tank calls. Makes a motion like he's about to fold then appears to change his mind.

Pot is 290
River

3

Villain snap shoves the rest of his stack, a little over 100. Haven't seen him pull a spazz bluff like this before when he's missed his draws so I'm not sure what to think. Can't think of what can have aside from a slowplayed set or some kind of weird 35 combo draw that got there. Feel like I should have raised more on flop and bet more on turn. Thoughts?
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08-26-2014 , 08:54 AM
A top-pair, weak-kicker hand like JT or T9 would likely not have called the flop raise and turn bet per your description of villain. A hand like AT or QT would have some showdown value and would like to get to showdown cheap. This leaves the shove range polarized to an effective nuts type hand or a complete bluff. Per your description of villain not doing anything spazzy, I would lean away from a total bluff, and instead think a more nutted hand such as A3, 3-5, or a flopped set -> rivered boat. I don't think that I would ever call this river bet.

I think that your flop raise was fine. With a non-heart turn, you may have been able to bet a bit bigger, i.e. $100, but $70 is still giving your opponent poor odds to call a naked flush draw, so no major error. As long as you folded the river, you played the hand fine.
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08-26-2014 , 09:34 AM
I understand the reasoning behind the flop raise but I don't love it. Do you really want to play for stacks with top pair second kicker against this villain? Once you raise the flop, you are down to a little more than a pot-sized bet behind.

Considering what we know about villain, I think this is a "small hand, small pot" spot. My plan would be to flat the flop bet, bet 40 on the turn, and check behind on the river (assuming the turn and river are blanks and V checks to us).
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08-26-2014 , 10:25 AM
If the flop is a raise, I'm pounding v for a raise to 70ish. Otherwise I'm just calling the weak bet and trying to play a smaller pot here. 45 made it a tricky turn spot I think.
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08-26-2014 , 10:42 AM
I am folding after so much Hollywood action.
A lot of donks like to play their role of a dying donkey that got knocked down by an ugly truck, to disguise their big hands.
Here he played the role of the T3o.
As played:
Don't mind the flop raise, considering his gay donk sizing.
Turn if you're going to bet, bet bigger here on this turn.
Probably easy river decision if sized turn bigger.
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08-26-2014 , 10:56 AM
Flop raise is awful; you REALLY price in just about every combo draw all the other players could have, and by the time it gets back around to villian he's never folding (is that what you're trying to accomplish right?). Because TPGK has good showdown value, and you cut that option off at the knees by raising the flop. Someone else mentioned +1 'you generally do not want to play for stacks with TPGK', and this is exactly what your flop raise invites.

When villian donk bets 15.00, plus your'e own 15.00, the pot is 90.00; if you're going to raise him, raise at least 75 on top. I think calling the flop is the best play and re-eval turn.

As played, either check behind on the turn to control pot, or bet heavy (3/4).

Fold river. It's apparent his hand is good. He called your raise, he called your turn barrel, and now he's open shipping to you. It's 1/2, people almost never bluff @ 1/2.
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08-26-2014 , 12:15 PM
Grunch:

Flat the flop or raise more.
You flop raise doens't get enough value from worse or price out draws. It just bloats the pot. We accomplish nothing.

River: Ugh. I expect to see 3X here more often than I would llike.
I mean, really, who folds JJ+ here to a $100 river bet into a $400 pot? No one. So, he isn't expecting you to fold. So, disapoint him.
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08-26-2014 , 12:25 PM
Pre is fine. Like what most said, raise flop more. Turn, bet bigger for value. As played, it's a fold.
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08-26-2014 , 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by C0g
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Villain checks. I bet 70. Villain tank calls. Makes a motion like he's about to fold then appears to change his mind.

Pot is 290
River

3

Villain snap shoves the rest of his stack, a little over 100.
yeah, 9 times out of 10, with the Hollywood involved, you are beat....

I'd expect V to show up with a boat, Tx two pair, or some ******o 53 combo or 3x hand like a gutterball A3.
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08-26-2014 , 03:47 PM
Hate the flop raise
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08-26-2014 , 04:05 PM
Thanks for the responses guys. Hand has been bugging me even though it wasn't even that much money. Think I let my dislike of this particular villain influence my play, raising the flop because I was irritated with his donk bet, even though I wouldn't want to admit it.

Tank folded rather unhappily and called it a night. Couldn't really see what I was beating on the river aside from a complete bluff.
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