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Old 03-21-2019, 09:56 AM   #1
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Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Loose actiony 2/5 game

I'm BTN with A3o. About 7 limpers/. I limp. Blinds check.

Flop is J52r
-Everyone checks.

Turn 7, no flush draws
-SB(Good solid aggro player) makes it 25
-UTG(likes to see alot of flops, even limping UTG with hands like 53o. Most aggro player on the table postflop) makes it 85
-Folds to me and I make it 300
-SB fold
-UTG call

River J
-He tanks for a while and donk bets 600
-Hero???

Edit:
We are both $3k deep. As played, what do you guys think? Does it make any sense to be donking out 600 on the river with most jacks when I could easily have a boat? Could he turn a hand like 52o into a bluff?

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Old 03-21-2019, 10:02 AM   #2
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

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Loose actiony 2/5 game

I'm BTN with A3o. About 7 limpers/. I limp. Blinds check.

Flop is J52r
-Everyone checks.

Turn 7, no flush draws
-SB(Good solid aggro player) makes it 25
-UTG(likes to see alot of flops, even limping UTG with hands like 53o. Most aggro player on the table postflop) makes it 85
-Folds to me and I make it 300
-SB fold
-UTG call

River J
-He tanks for a while and donk bets 600
-Hero???
Hero folds on the turn.

AP fold.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:14 AM   #3
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Limp pre - meh ok on btn.
Turn Fold
River Fold

I am not calling/hero-ing with A high someone who called a cold 3b on the turn and pot donked the river.

Stack sizes would be nice if this were at all close. if you think $3k shove or something gets everything but the nuts to fold - ok i guess. Would be nice to have a nut blocker though.

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Old 03-21-2019, 10:14 AM   #4
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Leave the table and take the A3o with you.
Give the Ace to a pretty lady on the way out and the 3 to a cranky looking old man.
Drive as far away from this card room as you can and never return.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:27 AM   #5
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

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Leave the table and take the A3o with you.
Give the Ace to a pretty lady on the way out and the 3 to a cranky looking old man.
Drive as far away from this card room as you can and never return.
If the river had brought a 3, would you then change your mind? Give the 3 to the pretty girl and the A to the old man?
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:54 AM   #6
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

What is going on
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:59 AM   #7
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Call if you want to see a full house
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:01 AM   #8
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

you got balls, I'll give you that

I think we need to respect the multi-way situation here OTT, it's a limped pot , with 7 or 8 limpers where the flop gets checked around and then a bet and raise in front of you OTT

if you had some equity maybe I'd be on board but this is a very stnd fold

AP.. I don't think you can credibly rep a J on the river given your check on the flop

hard for V to have a J as well , Your line would look super strong if you raised the river, I just fear that V is boated up here a lot bc I don't really know what else he could have besides sets

how do you range him OTR?
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:01 AM   #9
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Call if you want to see a full house
I like full houses
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:38 AM   #10
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Loose actiony 2/5 game

This was the only part of this hand I understood.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:05 PM   #11
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

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Leave the table and take the A3o with you.
Give the Ace to a pretty lady on the way out and the 3 to a cranky looking old man.
Drive as far away from this card room as you can and never return.
OP I'll give you directions you can drive to my cardroom
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:15 PM   #12
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Edit: do not hero call river and put saved money toward immigrating to a country where gambling is illegal.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:19 PM   #13
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

I love that everyone else is saying what I was thinking.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:18 PM   #14
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

I want to know why you thought that 3-betting to $300 on the turn would work.

The pot is $445 and it costs V $215 to call. You're giving him better than 2-1 pot odds. What is V's value that will raise to $85 and fold to $215 more? A loose player isn't going to fold a jack there. If you flopped a set, why are you checking when all the others checked? Your play is saying that you turned a set of 7s. But even then, an action player will raise 77 on the button a lot of the time. Your story doesn't make any sense.

Jack pairs on the river. He bets a little under half pot. What hands could he be bluffing with? There aren't many. A couple of straight draws. But mostly you will see a full house and V hopes that Hero made trip jacks. Fold the river.

Your biggest mistake is preflop. Why are you limping A3off on the button. That's terrible. Fold or raise to $50.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:28 PM   #15
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

All other action aside, the river lead from V says he absolutely has it. Don't see how you can consider anything other than folding.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:42 PM   #16
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

The edit doesn't change anyone's sentiment.

Pre is bad, but not as crazy as some make it out to be. It's not like you called a raise with it.

The turn: Why are you 4 betting with nothing but a gutshot when the only money you have invested is $5? Surely there are better spots.

As far as your edit goes, look at it again, and answer it. Does it make sense for him to bomb with just a jack? No, it doesn't. He probably has a boat himself and was ecstatic that you raised the turn.

There's no way he has ANY bluffs in this spot. Think about it, he's betting into you, after he saw you show an incredible amount of strength on the turn. So if he's bluffing with 64 here he's either incredibly stupid, or so smart that he knows you have exactly what you have.

Even if he's bombing with a jack.....you're beat. Even if he's bombing with 52....you're beat.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:59 PM   #17
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

This hand should cost you max 1bb - bad turn.

I get what you're thinking about, but 3k deep you have to think he also has some legit raise-call hands in range. Nether of you have a jack that isn't a boat, and there aren't many of those.

You called and he had 75 or 98 or 22

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Old 03-21-2019, 04:06 PM   #18
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

He has bluffs, but also some real hands. Feels like 98 though doesn't it? I want you to call. Why would he raise-call Jx that didn't bet flop? It was limped, no reason not to put in a bet sometimes. He knows it's a limped pot. Actually, Snap! Turn remains a fold, your gutter now completes up to an additional 16 better straights.

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Old 03-21-2019, 04:23 PM   #19
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

You rep literally nothing with turn cold 3 bet. You would even bet 77 on flop.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:36 PM   #20
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

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He has bluffs, but also some real hands. Feels like 98 though doesn't it? I want you to call. Why would he raise-call Jx that didn't bet flop? It was limped, no reason not to put in a bet sometimes. He knows it's a limped pot. Actually, Snap! Turn remains a fold, your gutter now completes up to an additional 16 better straights.
If he has 98 here, I'm gonna have TC tortured until he reveals the location of this game. Just kidding TC. Maybe. Watch your back.

I even gave this the benefit of the doubt, considering that maybe villain puts TC on an overpair and is trying to bluff him off when the J pops on the river, but with no raise preflop, and no betting on the flop it's just not feasible. TC is representing a set on the turn, and yet STILL the Villain is betting hard into him on the river. My guess is V has 55's full.

Then again....he might think TC has 75, in which that case it's a good bluff. I think let him have it though. It's so heavily weighted towards value that TC has to be right, such a high percentage of the time.
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:39 PM   #21
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Your turn 3bet is lighting money on fire. Its probably more profitable to fold the absolute nuts.


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Old 03-21-2019, 06:21 PM   #22
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Wp now call
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:59 PM   #23
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

I'm not sure I understand any part of this hand; maybe that's why I should stick to 1/2.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:13 PM   #24
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

So when is the part where OP comes back to the thread and brags about how he soul read UTG for 34s, snapped off a bluff, and we're all dumb for having folded this hand?

If you're going to bluff at this pot, maybe start by potting the flop and going from there.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:32 PM   #25
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Re: Time for a hero call at 2/5?

Don’t they say not to go broke in a limped pot?
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