Playing at Chumash in the Central Coast
$1/2. Play is pretty freaking bad and money is splashing around the table, unfortunately, not in any hand I'm in.

Hero: playing very tight, but getting antsy ~$100
Villain: Mega-LAG who seems to be hitting the nuts on every flop ~$700
Early Position raiser: not much of a read, nothing extraordinary ~$150

Hero: on the button QQ

Early position: raises to $6
Hero: 3-Bet to $18
Villain: in SB, thinks about it and calls


Flop: 10d 8c 7s (~$56)
villain: check
EP: check
Hero: bets $38
Villain: tanks and calls
EP: folds

Turn: Kd ($132)
Villain: quietly says all-in
Hero: tanks and calls last $44


I will admit, the all-in kinda pissed me off. At the moment I thought that it was a bad call to make but that I was all but pot committed. If I was deeper I think I would have probably folded. What is your thinking here? I'm getting 4:1. He doesn't seem like a player that would Hollywood at all so I don't think he flopped a set, two pair, or had an over-pair. After his shove I'm thinking he either has K10, a straight draw, AK, or an awful bluff where he doesn't have much fold equity.





Honestly, don't be shy to critique the hell out of me. I'm here to learn.

Thanks,

Travis

After putting the 38 with this stack size I'm never folding. We're getting 4:1 and beat all of his combo draws and air

Buy deeper and the fold comes into play.

Yeah unfortunately Chumash has a max up to $100. Really unfortunate as I play primarily online now and have gotten used to playing with 100BB+

Standard play. You're short, you've committed more than half of your stack and you're at a table where "play is pretty freaking bad." Call it off. I hope you have several buy ins btw.

When you're playing short, you're always looking for an excuse to get it all in. Hate games when they make you buy in short, then it just becomes a shove-fest.

Here, as soon as you see QQ you gotta be thinking, what's the best way to get my stack in the middle.

You left yourself kind of an odd-size stack at the end. You want to plan it out so you have about a pot-sized bet to work with on either the flop or turn.

Situation is exacerbated by the weird opening raise size. I tend to ignore stupid stuff like that. At 1/2, when I 3bet, it's usually ~$35. So, I just play it my way and 3bet that here. Villain is deep enough to roll with it if he wants.

Kind of worked out in this case because it left villain without much leverage when he ran his fancy semi-bluff OTT. Fortunately, he doesn't know how to play short-stacked either I guess. There's a lesson in there. Don't ever try to shove the short stack off his last fiddy cent.

Villain's play is exactly why you become pot committed against non-nit villains. There are nits who always have at least AK when they shove turn and you can fold. Against anybody else, the chance they are bluffing, drawing, or read their hands wrong means you call.

Look at it from villain's perspective. Villain's call on the flop was a mistake with nothing but a bad draw that is nowhere near the nuts. Once he does that and EP folds, he is committed also. If he checks your are going to shove and he is getting the straight odds to chase except in the rare case when you have a higher flush draw. So he might as well move in himself and get some FE if possible.

The king isn't a scare card.

It's only that you have QQ that you might think a king is a scare card. It doesn't connect with the board at all. Jacks, tens, nines, sixes are far more of "scare cards" than a king would be. He could have K9, but he would probably not be risking you folding, and would check to you and let you shove your money in behind.

You would 3-bet to $35 after a raise to $6? That would just encourage villains to fold which is not what we want.

I thought this thread was going to be about a call that was obviously bad. But getting such great odds against that type of villain for $44 is not even close to clearly being bad, especially with this range on villain:

Thanks all.

A couple different opinions on the opening raise amount. Any other thoughts on this? Should I have made it more?

possibly, i mean if you make it 25 is anyone really going to fold for the extra 5 at this limit? like people said 50BB deep looking at QQ the goal from the start should be to get stacks in so any little extra money you can get in the pot now helps.

Good point.

Appreciate the help guys.

Precisely zero reason to bet more. Why would you want 62s to fold pre-flop?

You played the hand standard on each street.

It's a reasonable question. I personally do not think so.

A tight player is likely playing a very restricted range for an UTG raise, most of those hands he is willing to felt with. Long as AK is in the mix you should be OK. Not guaranteed if villain is smart, and you have a reputation as a nit. Get good reads and be aware of your table image.

Weak players don't b/f. My experience is, they are in for a penny, in for a pound. Try folding a 1/2 fish out with a 3bet sometime and see how it goes. That's my experience anyway, YMMV.

But suppose you bet $25 and this particular villain folds. What do you do next? What adjustment do you make?