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Thoughts on playing over pairs out of position post flop ( multi) Thoughts on playing over pairs out of position post flop ( multi)

09-10-2018 , 11:08 AM
I often run into the same spot, holding an overpair out of position in a multi-way pot (usually never more than 3 way in these spots)

I will give an example of a hand:

$7000 effective in my stack- I am UTG with Queens.
SB- $5500 effective- LAG amateur pretty solid albeit with some holes
Button $7000 effect- LAG pro- very solid very aggressive ( Anyone read that in a Teddy KGB voice?)

Blinds 25/25 but at this point was a 25/50 with 100 dollar straddles ( late in game, some guys very stuck already)

I open for $325 SB calls and Button re-raises to $800 Button is a very aggressive pro who's 3 bet ratio is highest at table and from the button even higher. Tough to put him on a hand in the spot because of his frequency, especially from that spot.

I decide to call and see what the flop brings and how I can play post flop.
SB calls- 3 to flop.
Flop 10d 2d 4hearts

What would you all do here?

Check call? Probing 1/4-1/3 C Bet? Pot sized bet?
09-10-2018 , 01:53 PM
fist pump ship pf
09-10-2018 , 02:02 PM
What's going on with the table positions? You open, button raises... you call... then SB calls? Why are we choosing to slow play As 3way? What are you 4betting here?
09-10-2018 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by goldFishshark
What's going on with the table positions? You open, button raises... you call... then SB calls? Why are we choosing to slow play As 3way? What are you 4betting here?
I opened UTG, SB calls, Button raises, I call buttons raise and SB calls to close action pre.

I didnt want to ship it pre w Queens there and was hoping I could just see the flop for fear of being up against aces kings and aces.

Just a tough spot...
09-10-2018 , 04:17 PM
Sorry Goldfish- I see now what I did. You are correct. I called buttons 3bet and SB called to close the action pre-flop.

( My fear was correct- Button had aces but he neither I won the hand)
09-10-2018 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RU18LOL
fist pump ship pf
Love it but I was up against aces and a suited big king.

My play was the only way possible I could have won. I jammed post flop rolling the dice ( hated my play)

Hint- The only I could have won was if I could have called or been called flop bet without shipping and the jammed the turn ( which was a blank)
09-11-2018 , 04:24 PM
BUMP
09-11-2018 , 05:52 PM
We're 70BBs deep so shouldn't be too worried about stacking off to a better hand preflop (unless of course we're underrolled, in which case fold pre and rack up).
09-11-2018 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
We're 70BBs deep so shouldn't be too worried about stacking off to a better hand preflop (unless of course we're underrolled, in which case fold pre and rack up).
Fair- this game is the highest I play so not sure I want to get it all in with Queens out of position after a re-raise. Thank you.
09-11-2018 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dannyboy6292
not sure I want to get it all in with Queens out of position after a re-raise.
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Originally Posted by dannyboy6292
Button is a very aggressive pro who's 3 bet ratio is highest at table and from the button even higher. Tough to put him on a hand in the spot because of his frequency
Let me ask my grandmother if she would be afraid to raise pre. She doesn't play poker but based on those two statements she would probably say we're light years ahead.

Flatting his small 3bet pre is almost guaranteeing a 3 way+ pot. If he 3bet a more standard size we could consider flatting to keep our range wide. Raise pre

note: results don't matter
09-11-2018 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dannyboy6292
Fair- this game is the highest I play so not sure I want to get it all in with Queens out of position after a re-raise. Thank you.
Why does position matter when you get all-in? And you went in post-flop anyway so what's the difference? The only way position is relevant here is that it widens V's range if anything, since he's on the BTN and you say he has a history of heavy 3b frequency from the BTN.

With how uncomfortable you were in this spot, I can assure you that you should not be playing in this game at all. If the limits influence your bankroll and give you anxiety then you can't possibly be playing profitable poker.
09-11-2018 , 08:57 PM
Bbv or med/hsnl is where this belongs. Most likely bbv.
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