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Thoughts on my approach in 1/2 with top 2? Thoughts on my approach in 1/2 with top 2?

02-22-2017 , 10:10 PM
I am going to lay out my thinking so it can be critiqued.

Effective stacks $185

Hero: MAWG. been very fit/fold and recently got river'd on a big pot by villain heads up. FWIW been playing Millers PF hands/strategy from "the course" and my PF opening raises are on the larger size for the table ($10 plus 2 per limper approx.) but getting called frequently, while others are raising $5-$7. This put a small target on my back as aggressive and I was aware of this.

Villian:Has hero covered. youngish white guy, newest person at the table, having joined about an hour before. Has straddled most UTG's and is pretty loose calling on all streets. River'd Hero about 30 minutes prior for a big pot


V2 decent reg (about $150
V3 decent reg (about $100)


OTTH

Villain UTG straddles $4.
folds to hero in cutoff who raises to $12 with K9, V2 on button calls, V3 in BB calls, villain in UTG straddle calls.

Pot $48
Flop is K94

V3 checks, Villain checks, Hero sees a dry board, wants to keep their weaker hands in and build pot to GII and bets $20. V2, V3 and villain all call

Pot $128
Turn 8
v3 checks, Villain donks $40. Hero decides he isn't going anywhere with a SPR of 1 with top two on this board and would rather reduce the field or win it right now and shoves the remaining $150 ish.

Thoughts?
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02-22-2017 , 10:22 PM
With so many players on the flop I think you can go a bit bigger, 25-30. Plus either they have a piece of the board or they don't so if they're calling 20 they're probably calling 25 or 30. Don't hate your sizing though.

Turn I play it the exact same way. Even without the donk I'd probably be jamming this. Gravy that villain bet though.

NH

Edit: I should say preflop is pretty meh and should probably be a fold. You got many callers and even a caller behind you. Most of the time if you flop a K you have major kicker problems. Plus stack sizes are so small it just doesn't seem worth it.

Last edited by NebDanger; 02-22-2017 at 10:30 PM.
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02-23-2017 , 02:07 AM
flop maybe $25, but $20 is ok. well played.

Raise more pre. $12 is ok on button, but id do $15-17 from CO
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02-23-2017 , 07:33 AM
A bit bigger pre, bigger OTF ($30-$35) but your overall line is just how I'd play it.

Since you made a thread about this hand, I'm guessing V turned a set of 8s? Sick spot if that's what he ended up having.
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02-23-2017 , 10:23 AM
Pre is fine. These guys are either calling or folding. Regardless of your raise size. Raising bigger doesn't accomplish much, as SPR is gonna be low either way. Smaller raise size saves us money on times we miss and give up.


Flop is good. We want calls. And have 2 more streets to get extra value.

Turn is good.

We'll played. Good thought process.


Only Thing I don't like. Is you raise 10+ limpers. Should be using raise sizes that target stack depths more than limpers IMO. Prefer smaller raise size in this spot with so many short stacks. (By smaller I mean $12-15, which is large, but smaller than some suggestions)



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02-23-2017 , 10:58 AM
I raise this 100% pre. Your sizing is too small for a straddle hand. If you normally do 5X + limpers you'd be at 24 in this one. I'd probably make it $20.

Flop thinking is great. I'd probably go $25 but 20-30 is the sweet spot.

OTT I like the line but not the thought process. Think - I want to maximize my winnings - not - I want to thin the field/end it here.

NH
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02-23-2017 , 05:39 PM
great feedback.
I can see bigger on flop.
I will look into raise sizes that target stacks.

I am glad to hear my logic is sound for the most part. still much to learn.
Here is the rest of the hand.

V2 folds
V3 folds
UTG villain asks how much more ($110)and tanks for about 2 minutes. Finally announces " I have a heart draw and feel lucky...I call.' Dealer spikes a club on the river, villain mucks, immediately leaves the table, and pot comes to me.
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02-23-2017 , 05:45 PM
Pre is too small with the straddle, unless that's the norm. Is that what you'd make it with AA, KK, AK, etc.?

I'm not a big fan of raising pre with K9s, especially with two decent regs behind me.

Flopped close to gin for this hand and played fine on flop/turn.
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02-23-2017 , 05:51 PM
Pre I overcall or fold TBH, #nitlife.

Flop I go more because we are so multiway.

Turn yeah ship it.
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02-23-2017 , 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lll128
great feedback.
I can see bigger on flop.
I will look into raise sizes that target stacks.

I am glad to hear my logic is sound for the most part. still much to learn.
Here is the rest of the hand.

V2 folds
V3 folds
UTG villain asks how much more ($110)and tanks for about 2 minutes. Finally announces " I have a heart draw and feel lucky...I call.' Dealer spikes a club on the river, villain mucks, immediately leaves the table, and pot comes to me.
NH, and that's a much better ending to the story than "V rolls over a set of 8s" would have been.
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