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Thoughts on HH plz - 2/5 Thoughts on HH plz - 2/5

01-15-2020 , 10:14 PM
2/5 $500 max game

$525 effective to start the hand.

Hero’s image is probably $#&@. Down a buyin on the session, mostly from getting two outed on a turn against a $325 shortstack where I got all the money is as a huge favourite OTF. Nobody saw what I had that hand though. I’ve also had some other hands where i had to 3! pre, then fold flop. Ex: 3! Sb with JJ, get HU with PFR who flops nut str8 with JQ (A - 10 - K). He showed after I cbet/folded to his jam.

V has been playing pretty solid. He likes to raise pre with a pretty wide range, but hasn’t been 3!ing a whole lot. A few times in the couple hours he’s been playing. I’ve also noticed that he checks on the flop a lot after being preflop aggressor and shows up on the river with surprisingly strong hands that he plays passive on non-scary boards. V and I have played a few pots and he’s the only V I’m having any success against this session, mostly by running high equity semi-bluffs that he’s folded to OTF or OTT.

OTTH:

Folds to me in the HJ. I open AdJc to $15, folds to V in SB who 3!’s to $50, I call.

($105) Qc - 10d - 7h board

X, x

($105) 8c turn

He bets $75, I call with $375 behind after calling planning on ripping river on any club, or straight draw made.

($255) 6c

He x’s, I jam remaining $370.

Obviously we’d prefer to have AcJd here, but is this still a reasonable combo to jam river with? What hands do you think V has that can call down here?
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01-15-2020 , 10:22 PM
Not a fan. Not sure what hand or range you’re repoing. Stuffing it on the river surely works a fair bit of the time but I think it gets sigh called more than you’d like.

Like you said, with the Ac I’d like it a lot more.
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01-15-2020 , 10:26 PM
I usually open $20, but if $15 does the job, cool.

I fold to the 3 bet.

I bet the flop.

AP, on the turn I probably just call, too, given flop action.

I like the river jam. I doubt he's strong given the action, and it's gonna be super hard to defend vs that sizing.
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01-15-2020 , 10:28 PM
I like it. I mean if we start jamming AJ no club we might be over-bluffing, but this seems fine to me.
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01-15-2020 , 10:38 PM
I'd prefer to bet flop.

I feel neutral about this holding as a shove candidate.
But I don't think you would typically have other bluffs on this line so I think it's ok.

You can definitely have a bunch of 9s so I think your line is credible as well. You can have 99, A9s, T9s, K9s, J9s

I think he calls all his sets and probably AA and KK too. I think KQ folds and AQ maybe 50/50. Obv AK folds.
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01-15-2020 , 11:21 PM
Grunch.

I fold to the 3!, even IP as this hand doesn’t play well and is easily dominated.

I like a stab OTF trying to fold out AK or 99s.

I like the turn call.

I like the river bet but no need to shove imo. I go $190
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01-16-2020 , 11:22 AM
I find it interesting that most so far want to stab on the flop.
I had the feeling that there was no way a 2/3rd pot flop stab would work here (especially given my read on V’s general flop play style) and I was way more inclined to take a free card. Also, we’ll have to fold if check-raised OTF, right?
Folding to the 3! pre makes some sense, especially since this guy wasn’t 3!ing too much.
Turn seems standard to me, but I hate calling with the sole intention of hitting a straight and giving up on all other cards. I dunno. Weird spot I put myself in.
I feel similar to Spyu about this river jam with this combo. I don’t love it, but I don’t hate it either.
@twitcheroo - I think I have way more potential sets/2 pairs and flushes/and 9x here than V given his line.
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01-16-2020 , 11:42 AM
I don't like the call of the 3bet pre, but I'm fine with the rest of it.
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01-16-2020 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
Not a fan. Not sure what hand or range you’re repoing. Stuffing it on the river surely works a fair bit of the time but I think it gets sigh called more than you’d like.

Like you said, with the Ac I’d like it a lot more.
+1

There shouldn't be many 9X hands in our 3b calling range this shallow. TT/77 would bet the flop.

Pre - given the V descript, AJo is a fold imho.
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01-16-2020 , 02:52 PM
fold to 3b >>>>> 4b the 3b >>>>>>>>>>>> call 3b
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01-16-2020 , 10:17 PM
Thanks for the input everyone, appreciate it.

Results:
Spoiler:
V tanks for a solid 3-4 minutes. V hates his life. I was 80% sure he’d fold the first couple minutes, then I had that oh $&%# moment of knowing that he was gonna sigh call. Which he did, with black aces. I promptly left after this hand to avoid (further?) tilt.
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01-16-2020 , 10:48 PM
Yeah ime when they don't fold in the first minute, the longer they take they usually talk themselves into a call.
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01-16-2020 , 10:59 PM
It also took him a good 10-15 seconds for him to process that his hand was good after I promptly flipped mine over. lol
That seems like the absolute top of his range in that spot to me honestly. If he hates his life that much with black aces there I don’t totally hate my postflop play. Pre is questionable though, I agree with consensus there.
I guess he has a set of QQ a small % there.
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01-16-2020 , 11:38 PM
Grunch- I'd prob fold offsuit AJ to a solid players 3-bet, I guess its not the worst as he can 3-bet JTs,KJs,QJs...

On the flop I'm firing with the gutter and an over after the 3-bettor checks.

As played I'm folding, I'd much rather call with this sizing with the A of clubs if planning some OOL river play... but honestly that should be a very small percentage even with the A of clubs don't have to win every hand.

On the river prob still giving up, though your jam could be fine if the V won't call without a 9...
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01-17-2020 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Thanks for the input everyone, appreciate it.

Results:
Spoiler:
V tanks for a solid 3-4 minutes. V hates his life. I was 80% sure he’d fold the first couple minutes, then I had that oh $&%# moment of knowing that he was gonna sigh call. Which he did, with black aces. I promptly left after this hand to avoid (further?) tilt.
Villain had the effective top of his range (at least in terms of call candidates),and he tanked for 3-4 minutes.

Think about that for a second.

Mandatory jam.
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01-17-2020 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ggodd
Villain had the effective top of his range (at least in terms of call candidates),and he tanked for 3-4 minutes.

Think about that for a second.

Mandatory jam.
Yep. He was folding a lot of hands there. Unfortunately, he had the one that he could sigh call with. I wonder if he would have folded red aces?
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