Local 1-2 nothing to crazy going on standard table for a Thursday afternoon. No previous history with villain he is a caddy but big golf tournament going on so he has the week off. Been playing together for about 2 hours, his game seems ok never saw him get to far out of line. One hand I can remember him playing was calling an all in shove of about 75bb from a super manic fish with A10off after a long deliberation say he thinks he has 7's when he called. Another thing of interest is he seat changed twice, 1st closer to my left next to my immediate left, so maybe he thinks I'm the fish? He moved me off 1 hand I c bet in the cut off with a 3! from the button on the flop & called a few of my raises in position so now I'm feeling a little hand cuffed so I have tightened up. He has won a few big pots now & is about 300 bb & has been flatting a lot of opens now is position
Otth

Villain and myself are 150bb eff

Two limps to me in the CO with KhQh & I open for 14, villain flats on button with a comment about i must have something cuz i havent raised in a while, two limpers call.

Flop AhKd5c
2 limpers check to me
I cbet to 34 thinking this hits my perceived range pretty hard. V thinks for more than a few seconds & calls. Limpers both fold.
At this point I am putting V on a weaker A he doesn't want to let go of yet. I can tell he thinks I'm strong.

Turn is the 2h
I figure this is a decent card giving me the nut draw to continue you my story & see how he reacts? Thinking I might be able to get him off his weak A now. So I bet 48. He thinks for a good while again & calls. At this point I'm done with the hand if I don't improve. Thinking whatever he called with on the turn he is not folding to blank rivers.

River Kc
I'm thinking to myself this is the best card for me. And bet 50 for value.

Thanks for reading, thoughts on all street?

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Watch your bet sizing.

You actually counted out 4 $1 chips when you bet the flop?

Anyway, your bet on the river is way too small not matter what you were trying to do. If he's calling $50 with a worse hand, he's going to call $150. If you were trying to push him off, he's going to think "pot odds" and call you down.

If I read the HH right, there's $56 in the pot on the flop. You bet $34 and get a caller so there's now $124. So far, I like the play, though I'd make it $40 on the flop.

You bet $48 on the turn (Just over 1/3 the pot). That's not likely to move AX off the hand. If you want to try to move V off an A, you're probably going to have to bet pot or close to it.

As a general rule, moving LLSNL V's off their TP hands is not successful often enough to be worth it but the heart is good news. You probably have K's, Q's and hearts that give you the best hand, up to 14 outs. With those draws, you could barrel again here. A solid $100+ bet (with the threat of more on the river) is really going to put V to a difficult decision. Even if he calls, you have a good chance to spike the river and really irritate him.

As played, you're going to have a hard time getting paid off. Your hand will probably look to him like exactly what it is. There's $220 in the pot, so if he's going to call a bet, 1/4 pot looks about right.

The club at play uses 2 dollar chips for 1-2

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[QUOTE= As played, you're going to have a hard time getting paid off. Your hand will probably look to him like exactly what it is. There's $220 in the pot, so if he's going to call a bet, 1/4 pot looks about right.[/QUOTE]

I disagree hero is going to have a hard time getting paid off. The K on the river doesn't really change much. V likely has Ax here. He's already called two streets and clearly doesn't put hero on AK. Betting any less than $100 against this type of V is missing so much value. In game, I would pot this all day.

Yeah, you and Venice are disagreeing with me here. I definitely had to reconsider.

But in the end I can't quite get on board.

AK is not our only K. KQ is almost certainly in our perceived range even for an unobservant V. Depending on mubsiness, he may put other K's in our range also. They all got there. Our line has been raise pre, bet flop, bet turn, bet river (perhaps sizably). If V doesn't get a little shrinkage with his TPGK or worse, he's bold indeed.

If V is thinking at all, what is he putting us on? We probably don't have AK (but "probably" and "definitely" are different words in English for a very good reason, so maybe we do after all). AQ is no better than a chop. So if he calls he has AQ on down and is expecting us to raise/bet/bet/bet with AJ on down.

Many LLSNL villains aren't indifferent to absolute values. $150 into a $220 pot is different than $75 into a $110 pot for them.

Lastly, V perceives us as tight "villain flats on button with a comment about i must have something cuz i havent raised in a while". Does he think tight opponents raise pre and triple barrel with a hand that TP beats?

I think your viewpoint is valid, but I obviously have a different one. That might mean this is close after all and it doesn't matter that much which is picked (like $50 is 75% to be called and $150 is 25% to be called).

I see what your saying, but this V appears to be the classic 1-2 calling station. He's the level 0 player that just isn't thinking very much about anyone else's holdings other than his own. This is the kind of guy that will call with top pair on a 4 flush board. Luckily we've sucked out on him, now lets punish him for being a station.

Hmmm. Fair enough. My reading of V didn't really indicate that we knew this about him (sick call was against a maniac fish), but it's fairly generically true of the 1/2 population.

This clearly comes down to differences in the read on V. I certainly agree that if V is as you described, we should bet bigger.

Turn and river bets are ******edly small.