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Thoughts on donk leading turn vs EP Raiser Thoughts on donk leading turn vs EP Raiser

02-21-2020 , 09:06 AM
I did not play this hand personally but I would like some feedback

UTG opens 10

MP calls 10

BTN calls 10

sb folds

Hero (BB) calls 10 A6

Pot=40

Flop 557

Hero - checks

UTG- bets 25

mp folds and btn folds

Hero(BB) calls 25

Pot=90

Turn A

Hero- thoughts on leading this turn?

UTG- from early position to lead into 3 villains is strong. Having an A in our hand and one turning there are less combos. If we check then a majority of the time utg will check back.

If you like leading turn what sizing do you take?

If you don't agree with leading turn why?

If you do agree what are other value/bluff hands to balance your range that you would lead with

If called on turn what sizing do you bet blank rivers?

Do you go with a polarized sizing? Same sizing you would do with missed hearts?

Let me know what you guys think THANKS!
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02-21-2020 , 09:37 AM
Generally speaking, you don't want to donk lead on cards that hit your opponents range. This is a very clear x/c. If he's bluffing, he will continue to bet this card. If he checks back he probably woulnd't have called two streets anyways and you can bet the river.
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02-21-2020 , 09:41 AM
Yup. Agree with trob completely. Heck, if he checks back he probably wouldn't even have called one street, especially with that street being the turn, and thus the implication that he could be facing a river bet as well. He's far more likely to call a river bet since it is deleveraged and he can be bluff catching against missed draws.

Not your question, but I like a c/r better than the c/c OTF.
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02-21-2020 , 10:11 AM
I don't donk here for the reasons mentioned. It let's him get away from a worse hand and checking let's him bluff with a worse hand.

Check/raising the flop is interesting, but you have to be willing to gii -- I'm assuming this is 1/2 with average ~100bb stacks?
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02-21-2020 , 10:19 AM
Points to consider IMO

1. He c bet flop into 3 villains

2. Having an Ace and with the turn being another A. There is significantly less combos of Ax that villain can have. I also don't think c betting Ax into 3 villains is very likely (not saying its impossible)

3. If you are UTG and you have 88+ are you folding the turn? facing a donk lead

4. Obv I don't have an accurate player description but there aren't to many bluff combos. Even if he cbets AK and peels an ace on the turn BB has plenty of 5's in his range. Would you consider checking back turn if you are UTG and you peel ace on turn with Ax ?
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02-21-2020 , 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
Points to consider IMO

1. He c bet flop into 3 villains

2. Having an Ace and with the turn being another A. There is significantly less combos of Ax that villain can have. I also don't think c betting Ax into 3 villains is very likely (not saying its impossible)

3. If you are UTG and you have 88+ are you folding the turn? facing a donk lead

4. Obv I don't have an accurate player description but there aren't to many bluff combos. Even if he cbets AK and peels an ace on the turn BB has plenty of 5's in his range. Would you consider checking back turn if you are UTG and you peel ace on turn with Ax ?
Sure he doesn't have many bluffs, but he doesn't have many (any?) worse hands that will put in two more bets, as you also seem to realize. You're much more likely to get paid by worse on the river instead of the turn, for the reason Garick gave.
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02-21-2020 , 11:58 AM
You’re now WA/WB OTT. Whichever case V will always do the opposite of what you want if you donk. Always. Way better to x/c the turn.
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02-23-2020 , 10:54 AM
Turn is a good spot to donk lead sometimes. Since the line will look bluffy normally go on the larger size, 60-75 is good.
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02-23-2020 , 01:00 PM
Expanding your range linearly, if you start introducing donks a turn this good for villain, your strategy is going to have an insane amount of donk leading in it.
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02-23-2020 , 01:06 PM
I don't think we want to lead a turn which looks so good for Villain's range. If Villain was c-betting air, he'll continue betting turn to represent the Ace. Why not let him represent the Ace?
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02-23-2020 , 01:37 PM
grunch

I know it's not your hand but please include effective stack sizes and descriptions of all villains. It's basically impossible to give accurate feedback without it.

I don't hate a fold pre, assuming we're 100 BB effective and this is a raked game.

Flop is a call I guess since no one's going to believe you on a paired board if you raise. But I like a raise on 5-7-9hh for example.

x. turn. Depending on the stack sizes, we can probably continue facing a raise but our hand shrivels up under those circumstances. Also, even if we have the best hand, we don't want to get ourselves into a situation where we're folding out worse and our opponents are only continuing with better
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