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Third boat vs nit? Third boat vs nit?

01-03-2015 , 02:10 PM
Infos: 8 handed £0.5/1, Villain is what I would describe as a nit, he's used to playing 50-75bb deep and rarely gets 500+bb deep like in this case. Has tendencies to check flopped monsters even in multiway pots and plays a very trappy style since he is inexperienced in playing deep stacked.

Fold, Villain (£500) opens to £7 UTG+1, 2 folds, Hero (£320) calls in MP with 109, Nit#2 calls behind, rest fold.

Flop (£22.50, 3 players) Q104 Checks round

Turn (£22.50, 3 players) 9 Villain leads for £15, Hero calls, Nit#2 calls.

River (£67.50, 3 players) 10 Villain leads for £30, Hero raises to £76, Fold, Villain raises all in (has hero covered). £222 to call, Hero?
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01-03-2015 , 02:59 PM
What is V's opening range in EP??

Against a bad inexperienced player...calling it off here. Had the same situation yesterday on a paired board with a flush hitting the river (I had a boat) and V 3-bet me all-in on river with 2nd flush...essentially turning his hand into a bluff. Of course, he didn't understand that and I didn't bother explaining. You're only worried about QQ or QT...and he's probably not raising with QT from EP. Figure he would have bet larger on river with QQ as well.
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01-03-2015 , 03:08 PM
His ep opening range especially to 7x is usually premiums, I think his range is polarised to either QQ or 99.. He is never raising KJ on the River turning his hand into a bluff but I didn't think about bet sizing before. Nice point

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01-03-2015 , 04:12 PM
222 on top of 76 in a .5/1 game is mammoth.

Not just big, but wooly mammoth.

"A wire from Meyer" mammoth.

Inexperienced nitty players with monsters are afraid of "losing us".

Puke fold, we should believe him.
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01-03-2015 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
222 on top of 76 in a .5/1 game is mammoth.

Not just big, but wooly mammoth.

"A wire from Meyer" mammoth.

Inexperienced nitty players with monsters are afraid of "losing us".

Puke fold, we should believe him.
Puke fold is right.

We beat the one 99 combo that he's doing this for value. Doubt he's opening 44 so he doesn't have a worse boat and no described nit is suddenly turning his KJ into a bluff here after the reraise. He would sigh call and you'd be scooping the pot.

Instead it seems he has the perceived nuts of QQ/QT and bet small to not chase you away. After you raise he goes for value town.

It's totally sick to fold this hand, but I think the raise on the river is still good. You get value from Qx hands and possible straights while if he does shove over the top you can be sure you're folding the 2nd best hand.

The only value hand you beat is 99 and with maybe 5% spaz factor to account for times he does this with a straight or Tx at best, I'm still letting this go. NH
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01-03-2015 , 10:38 PM
If this is a fold, and it very well could be, I think it's best to fold pre-flop. When you play suited connectors you want implied odds which means someone who will pay off huge bets when you hit or is easy to bluff.

I guess we're assuming his range is QQ+, where he checks sets on the flop, and where he bets over-pairs.

If that's true we're going to have a hard time making much money against him. To get an idea of how bad we're doing, on the flop half of our equity is runner-runner flush.
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01-04-2015 , 05:48 AM
If he's an old experienced nit that understands you have a big hand then this is a fold. If it's an inexperienced player then this is a call.

Preflop is definitely a call if he his range is QQ+. If he has AA/KK here we will get paid off.
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01-04-2015 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker
If he's an old experienced nit that understands you have a big hand then this is a fold. If it's an inexperienced player then this is a call.

Preflop is definitely a call if he his range is QQ+. If he has AA/KK here we will get paid off.
2% of the time we'll flop two pair and we'll still be losing the hand over 28% of the time.

When we do flop 2-pair Villain will need to call a bet of roughly 700 for us to break-even.

Just look at this hand:
We're assuming we had 6.7% equity on the flop. On the turn we're assuming we were drawing dead.

What does everyone love playing off the nits? If they want to win the blinds every 4 (or so) hours (with QQ+), let them.
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01-04-2015 , 02:17 PM
It is profitable to play hands like this vs nits and it's fun to stack them. If you are going to play 1 hand an hour don't expect a free ride at my table to take down the blinds.

This is a super cooler situation and even then we don't get stacked because the nits hand is face up. Look at how poorly the nit played the flop not charging any draws. When this nit hits big he will often play a small pot but when he doesn't connect with the flop he will most likely cbet and of course call a raise and then call down 2 streets of mega value town.

Keep in mind we are over 300bbs deep.
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