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Thinking player over bet dunks into my over pair Thinking player over bet dunks into my over pair

02-09-2018 , 02:33 PM
First of all, I have a huge problem with your pre-flop size. Why are you betting 10 with QQ assuming that you have a few people to act and a strong player in the cutoff. If two people behind you call hero is given the right odds to act given he has decent cards. So pre flop I want to at least bet anywhere between 15-20 dollars.

With that being said on the flop I like the bet you made $16 into twenty if hero has a pair or and FD combination we are going to charge him max when the turn bricks. Or any straight draw combination that hero has in this particular spot.

Once hero calls, and the turn is a 7 you expressed that you were a bit confused when hero led into you. I think you should still be good here because there aren't many hands that make sense here besides some weird combinations like 68. Any bottom set possibly but rarely. So, in this position when he leads, I think I put all the money in unless he has jacks or some other weird hand. Given that hero is a good player I think he would re raise jacks pre-flop to get value, so JJ is unlikely in this spot.
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02-09-2018 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by brianatca
I think I would fold here. In my experience he made his hand on the turn or he has an open ended SFD that he wants to really get paid on if it hits on the river.

Is V an older guy by any chance? They love to donk bet when they make their hand.
This.
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02-09-2018 , 03:49 PM
Ok so for starters forget everything you assume about winning regs and thinking players at a 1/2 game. The guy flat called a LP open from the BB and donkbet the turn. This is not what winning players do, this is what fish do, and they do this with sudden equity. His likely holding was something like 67 or maybe A7ss that now has a pair to go with his draw and thinks any combo draw like this = put all your money in at first opportunity.

So for starters I would have cbet much bigger on the flop, something like $22 just because we have such a range advantage on him here. Facing this turn donk i shove and expect to get snap called with the described range.
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02-09-2018 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tuds38
Tomark, IMO you need to add 77, 68s, 45s, maybe even J7s to V's range. Those are all hands I might float for a small pot like this... well, i wouldn't call the J7s pre but yeah, you ignored several plausible hands that beat Hero.
even for $10 i dnot know that i can really put J7s in his range, maybe discounted somewhat at least. 77 ok fine, I can include that, but there is NO way he doesnt C/R flop with 45 as a thinking reg (and its honestly pretty unlikely he doesnt C/R with 44/55 for that matter) and no way he puts this massive of a bet in OTT with the nuts of 86.

Also raise flop lead turn is a top pair bet typically, although the lead normally isnt this big.

Either way I do think its not the easiest thing to put him on a range, but a few of the ranges I showed makes me think we very likely have odds. Also for somepeople who said otherwise, we are only 162.5 BBs deep, not 200.
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