My entire post was that it doesn't matter. If we take your read (crazy action junkie) or OPs read (5/10 reg) on the Vill we have to move beyond maxims of "fold when raised on the river" to actual hand-reading. And when that's done the line makes zero sense.

His line makes perfect sense if he has any of the hands I listed in post #20.

If it was really an "instashove" that it suspicious though. Still, the point is the river bet and river call are really bad even though it worked this time. The fact that it worked this time will cost Hero tons of money long term.

the post before (#19) I literally went through all those hands and talked about why the line makes no sense for him to have those hands.

I feel like I'm arguing in circles with you.

Post #19 is a very good post. I wasnt trying to argue with you. Im just saying the river bet was bad and that trying to pick off check raise bluffs at low stakes is suicide.

Grunch. I'd bet less otf and certainly bet the turn. This hand is pretty high in your range from button and you're gonna have a lot of bluffs on this turn, so you want to be betting wide for value.

AP check river. It's standard for him to check his entire range to you on the Ace river, and probably the worst hand that can call is QX.

AP after you bet, fold. You have the bottom of your value range and no diamond. You also block the hands you want him to have, like JT, J9.

honestly this discussion could have been over a while ago...

betting turn is fine in general and certainly preferable in a soft game/vs fish/vs players you never see again, but if this guy is a decent reg and a local/regular at the casino, it's good to sneak some weaker top pair hands into your x/b/b and b/x/b ranges in order to protect them from being primarily composed of 2nd pair and give ups- a couple hands like that at showdown will go a long way towards decreasing villain's perception of how bad he can abuse you when you aren't barrelling off.

after the way this hand played out, this guy will never try to bluff you again in your life tho lol

I agree with checking weaker top pairs, but we opened the btn so we have a bunch of weaker top pairs than this (also QxJd which is better than this to check back), and he almost never has a one pair hand that is better than ours after he flats out of the straddle.

Once you actually read the description of the V in this hand, folding TPGK+ at any time is terribad.

You don't have to bet otr if you don't have the stones to call the obvious bluff that is obviously coming, obviously.

V has zero value hands as played.

V's talk is Lol. He doesn't x 3 times with 2p+, FD+, etc.

Some free advice: Stop talking to your opponents.

This post comes off as extremely arrogant.

You yourself have a lot to learn when it comes to poker.

it's not about being worried about him having stronger top pairs than ours, like, at all. (altho just fyi, good players will flat as strong as AQo from big blind more often than you think, although i dont think this villain is very likely to do that here in this particular spot against what he likely perceives as weaker competition in a lower stakes game)

you should open tighter from the BTN when a straddle is out since you have 3 blinds to get through instead of 2, so you shouldnt actually have a bunch of weaker top pairs on this flop- the weakest ones would play well as x/b/b candidates tho, while QJ/QT are good to b/x and you could go 3 streets on a variety of runouts with KQ+ (if you were worried about having well constructed, protected ranges)

anyway, whatever

lol this post is literally just as good as your politics contributions

+1 turn bet seems mandatory. lots of value to be had there given how far up in your range you are for a BTN raise over a straddle.

lulzzz... OK. B/f there then.

I completely disagree that villain can't ever have nutted hands here. Villain can certainly have a hand like bottom set that he planned to x/c flop and x/r turn with, but once the Ace hits the river, he decides that rather than leading river, which is a card that's good for your range, he can x/r river instead to stack top pair.

Let's not be results-oriented. Villain happened to show up with a bluff on this particular occasion, but that doesn't mean that "his line doesn't make any sense" or that he can't have sets, 2prs and flushes.

pretty annoyed about this. haven´t been here for a long time and don´t know backstories, but if that is the way the mods treat you these day, just wow.

Thank you.